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Posted on 2/11/19 at 12:53 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Darwin's Theory has always been a fraud
Great point! Thanks for the thoughtful discussion...
Posted on 2/11/19 at 12:59 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Let me know if you're in the Orange Beach area doing some sidewalk proselytizing.
I've been vacationing out at Fort Morgan for the last 10 years or so. Maybe we can have lunch one day.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 1:00 pm to narddogg81
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There is a ton of stuff inside the very basic machinery of life(which is still massively complicated) that had to evolve spontaneously at the same time in one cell, from nothing but random soup of amino acids, fully functioning or you don't have something that is alive, something that can metabolize or replicate.
Nope.
Summary:
Scientists have been able to prove that a protein structure widespread in nature -- the amyloid -- is theoretically capable of multiplying itself. This makes it a potential predecessor to molecules that are regarded as the building blocks of life
Posted on 2/11/19 at 1:00 pm to ShortyRob
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But, I'm just thinking that if I'm God talking to bronze age people, I'm probably not going in to great detail on the how.
I get that. I'm wondering why we don't have a Bible: Second Edition by now, though.
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I keep telling people this. That "atheism" literally means, "without theism".
The problem is that some people who don't believe in a god are extremists. They're antitheists. I have no problem with that. I even step across that line once in awhile.
Still, they aren't atheists. That doesn't stop some on both sides of the debate from mislabeling them as atheists and lumping them in.
It doesn't mean I think I can prove there's no God. And no, that sentence doesn't mean I'm "agnostic". To me, the word "agnostic" is merely a word atheists use to make themselves feel less extreme.
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It doesn't mean I think I can prove there's no God. And no, that sentence doesn't mean I'm "agnostic". To me, the word "agnostic" is merely a word atheists use to make themselves feel less extreme.
I can see both sides of this. "Agnostic" is maybe the closest to my mindset, but more accurately, I'd say that I'm irreligious.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 1:01 pm to RobbBobb
You do realize they are religious that they are plenty of religious people that believe evolution right?
Posted on 2/11/19 at 1:03 pm to narddogg81
This thread is a great illustration that science and the true believers are just as dogmatic as any religion. I mean, anybody who has taken a history of science class should know that already, but people will never admit it in a discussion. I think the irony of that is lost
Posted on 2/11/19 at 1:03 pm to Lg
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Fort Morgan
Real question. Have you ever stood on the street in Gulf Shores or Orange Beach and yelled at spring breakers about their sinful ways?
Posted on 2/11/19 at 1:04 pm to narddogg81
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this is a very long winded way of saying "I take it on faith and because you don't you are a heretic to my religion".
No, it's me saying wait and see while you are just talking out of your arse.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 1:04 pm to narddogg81
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This thread is a great illustration that science and the true believers are just as dogmatic as any religion.
bullshite.
Let me know when someone is stoned to death by an atheist scientist because they had a conflicting theory.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 1:08 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Some of the most truly unpleasant people alive. And, funny part is, their entire view is self contradictory.
The problem is that some people who don't believe in a god are extremists. They're antitheists.
quote:I used to call myself agnostic.
I can see both sides of this. "Agnostic" is maybe the closest to my mindset, but more accurately, I'd say that I'm irreligious.
But then I realize that while not everything is binary, belief IS.
I mean, either you believe, or you don't. If you're still debating belief in your head, then, right now, you don't believe.
I began to realize that I said "agnostic" as a kind of weasel word. Like, somehow, maybe God would give me a pass if it turned out that I really should have "believed".
But that's not the construct God has laid out at all!! LOL None of the world's religions say you can get into heaven if you are THINKING about believing.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 1:09 pm to FutureMikeVIII
I only provide truths that are not debatable.
Don't be mad
Don't be mad
Posted on 2/11/19 at 1:12 pm to ShortyRob
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Some of the most truly unpleasant people alive. And, funny part is, their entire view is self contradictory.
It depends how they present their views. I admired Hitchens. He was an a-hole and he made no apologies for that. He though religion was dangerous and he was able to articulate that. He also loved people and was able to have a civil conversation with those who hated him most.
Perhaps a once-in-a-lifetime talent.
Then you have someone like Dawkins. He's also an a-hole, but he's smug about it. I like him, but I am fully aware that he doesn't come off as someone people would want to listen to.
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I used to call myself agnostic.
But then I realize that while not everything is binary, belief IS.
That's why I like irreligious. I don't particularly care about religion anymore than any other beliefs, until they start to affect me.
In a perfect world, I'd have no real need to discuss anyone's religion.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 1:15 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Have you ever stood on the street in Gulf Shores or Orange Beach and yelled at spring breakers about their sinful ways?
No, not normally there during spring break. But I do give to the poor from time to time. Planning on taking my kids on a mission trip. have ministered at a few drug rehab places in north Alabama.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 1:16 pm to Lg
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But I do give to the poor from time to time.
So do I. That's independent of religion.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 1:19 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Since we've been too agreeable
So do I. That's independent of religion.
in this thread, I'd just like to say that in 5 years of being the person suckered with the combined federal campaign crap in the Army, there was ABSOLUTELY a strong correlation between religion/political affiliation and likelihood/amount of donations. Yes. That's just my anecdote. But it was across 3 units and it just wasn't ever even close.
This post was edited on 2/11/19 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 2/11/19 at 1:21 pm to ShortyRob
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Since we've been too agreeable in this thread, I'd just like to say that in 5 years of being the person suckered with the combined federal campaign crap in the Army, there was ABSOLUTELY a strong correlation between religion/political affiliation and likelihood/amount of donations.
Yes. That's just my anecdote. But it was across 3 units and it just wasn't ever even close.
I never once gave to that. I've always held the thought that the government wastes enough of my money. I'm not giving them any more to waste.
Still, it wasn't really your beliefs that led you to donate. You were just a sucker.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 1:22 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:I can point you about a hundred million people murdered in the 20th century at the hands of athliest political regimes, millions of them because of their religious beliefs. I can point you to millions of people murdered in world war 2 based on the Nazis take on Darwinism and survival of the fittest. Athiest ideology in practice has killed more people in 100 years than all religious persecution of science thing back to the beginning of history many times over (this is so overblown btw. For most of history religion and scientific Discovery went hand in hand). But this is just you not understanding what dogmatic means or intentionally trying to derail with an inflammatory statement that's tangential.
Bull shite.
Let me know when someone is stoned to death by an atheist scientist because they had a conflicting theory
This post was edited on 2/11/19 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 2/11/19 at 1:23 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:I mean I was suckered into being the one in the unit who had to brief, give out the forms, compile the forms and then turn them in.
Still, it wasn't really your beliefs that led you to donate. You were just a sucker.
So, I saw the $$ donated by everyone.
But yep. After the 1st time, I should have objected every other time!!
Side note: There's nothing more absurd than someone telling you they "can't afford" to donate to CFC when the minimum donation is like $5 TOTAL!
I mean frick. Just tell me you don't want to because saying you can't afford $5 just insults us both.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 1:32 pm to narddogg81
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This thread is a great illustration that science and the true believers are just as dogmatic as any religion. I mean, anybody who has taken a history of science class should know that already, but people will never admit it in a discussion. I think the irony of that is lost
Yes narddogg, you keep bringing up great points that get ignored by the resident atheists.
Do the resident atheists realize that in the past couple of years the British Royal Society, an esteemed group of scientists that are in the purely naturalistic camp came together to discuss the need for a new theory of evolution because the current one has serious issues?
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