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re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:49 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:49 pm to Fun Bunch
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Ah I love when you loons pick out of context quotes from respected biologists to try and say "GOTCHA". It really is quite amusing.
Plus even in the context he thinks its in, it doesn't say "God is responsible". It's the God of the Gaps fallacy. Can't explain it for certain now. Well I and the 83 pages of the Bible I have read say it was God. Who cares if this can be disproven in a few years, I'll continue to believe it's God.
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Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:51 pm to OMLandshark
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No there isn't. The scale is the only fundamental difference. Mutations have to happen millions of times to get a result where a creature is fundamentally unrecognizable from its ancestors.
Are you an evolutionary biologist? Because the evolutionary biologist who heads a department at University of Vienna disagrees with you.
I am not saying that guy does not believe in evolutionary theory. He is stating it has problems which current theory doesn't address. My point is merely that current theory has serious flaws.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:51 pm to Lg
quote:3.5 billion years is a long time.
Wouldn't seem like there is enough time frame for this to happen with just the human species.
The first mammals appear in the record about 200 million years ago.
Even if it took 20,000 years for each notable change to occur, that would be 10,000 notable changes. And 20K years is an absurd number. We've seen substantial variation in populations of animals driven by natural phenomenon just in the lifetimes of individual humans!
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:53 pm to OMLandshark
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Plus even in the context he thinks its in, it doesn't say "God is responsible". It's the God of the Gaps fallacy. Can't explain it for certain now. Well I and the 83 pages of the Bible I have read say it was God. Who cares if this can be disproven in a few years, I'll continue to believe it's God.
And again you are making statements I haven't made to object to...
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:55 pm to Lg
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Wouldn't seem like there is enough time frame for this to happen with just the human species.
It's why we look different from each other, but not enough time has passed where we couldn't breed with each other. That takes millions of years, and our last common ancestor is estimated to be 150,000 years ago. So no, we've been on different paths until relatively recently when the world has been united, but we shouldn't have seen the next real level in human evolution yet. Civilization has only been around for 10,000 years for God's sake.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:55 pm to CivilTiger83
quote:Actually, no, he doesn't.
Are you an evolutionary biologist? Because the evolutionary biologist who heads a department at University of Vienna disagrees with you.
quote:That's good. Cause he does.
I am not saying that guy does not believe in evolutionary theory.
quote:He's saying that there are mechanisms at work beyond natural selection that drive the genetic changes.
He is stating it has problems which current theory doesn't address. My point is merely that current theory has serious flaws.
The debate you speak of doesn't even QUESTION the reality of evolution.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:56 pm to ShortyRob
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Even if it took 20,000 years for each notable change to occur, that would be 10,000 notable changes. And 20K years is an absurd number. We've seen substantial variation in populations of animals driven by natural phenomenon just in the lifetimes of individual humans!
You and LandShark need to set up a call with the department head of evolutionary biology at the University of Vienna and let him know that he is an idiot, and you have it figured out.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:57 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Had humans not developed the ability to comfortably travel, then over time, one would fully expect that certain populations of humans(or whatever you'd call them) would have ceased being breeding compatible with others.
It's why we look different from each other, but not enough time has passed where we couldn't breed with each other. That takes millions of years, and our last common ancestor is estimated to be 150,000 years ago.
But, we went and invented boats and shite and commence to frickin
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:58 pm to CivilTiger83
quote:and Jon Gruber was much more steeped in the field of economics than you. It did not prevent him from lying to you, did it.
This is someone much more steeped on evolutionary biology than I am who is pointing out in essence there is a fundamental difference between micro and macro evolutionary theory.
A point I've raised here once already should give you a hard reset.
Cats (Felidae) -- Lions, Tigers, Leopards, Pumas Jaguars, Bobcats, Servals, House Cats -- are clearly similar. Yet they are clearly dissimilar. They obviously diverged variently from a common ancestor.
Yes?
Some species of cat can still interbreed, albeit with oft sterile or naturally disadvantaged offspring. Other cat species are evolved just beyond that point. Hell! Some members of Family:Felidae can even breed transgenus! Most cannot.
Are separate genuses of felidae actually "the same" animal, albeit "with a different beak"?
Is cat divergence simply evidence of microevolution?
This post was edited on 2/11/19 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:58 pm to CivilTiger83
quote:Why? He agrees entirely with me. His only disagreement(and it isn't with me) is over the specific mechanism driving genetic changes and adaptations.
You and LandShark need to set up a call with the department head of evolutionary biology at the University of Vienna
Posted on 2/11/19 at 2:58 pm to CivilTiger83
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Are you an evolutionary biologist? Because the evolutionary biologist who heads a department at University of Vienna disagrees with you.
No, you're intellectually dishonest and are taking him out of context. I'm sure this is a real zinger by your Baptist preacher. I remember mine once said the chances of us being born out of evolution was the chances of me putting a quarter in the Australian Outback and then him all the way back in America going to Australia blindfolded and somehow finding that exact same quarter in the middle of the desert. I'm not making that up that that was told to me once.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:00 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Well. He cut and pasted the entire quote from an anti-evolution site.
No, you're intellectually dishonest and are taking him out of context.
On the other hand. I searched the man.
He's an evolutionist through and through. Citing him to negate our argument would be like citing Einstein to negate Newton's general assertion that Gravity existed.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:05 pm to CivilTiger83
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You and LandShark need to set up a call with the department head of evolutionary biology at the University of Vienna and let him know that he is an idiot, and you have it figured out.
You don't understand the point he was making.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:07 pm to OMLandshark
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Mutations have to happen millions of times to get a result where a creature is fundamentally unrecognizable from its ancestors.
That’s ludicrous.
When a mutation gives a survival advantage to a small sample of a species, it takes generation upon generation upon generation before that mutation is passed along to the point that the carriers of the mutation become the dominant representation of that species.
It’s not like the mutations occur over the entire species at once.
Suggesting that every species has experienced millions of mutations is crazy talk.
The gaps between mutations and dominance of the mutation carriers is too wide for that to be true.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:07 pm to OMLandshark
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. I remember mine once said the chances of us being born out of evolution was the chances of me putting a quarter in the Australian Outback and then him all the way back in America going to Australia blindfolded and somehow finding that exact same quarter in the middle of the desert. I'm not making that up that that was told to me once.
Well, if you believe in an infinite universe..... I mean, how could you put odds on any of this happening?
Even if you believe in a Divine Creator, what are the odds that He would create us now, in all the infinite folds of time?
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:07 pm to CivilTiger83
quote:An idiot?
and let him know that he is an idiot
Nope.
A duplicitous hack?
If he is arguing against evolution as a general precept, then it seems so.
This post was edited on 2/11/19 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:12 pm to ShortyRob
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Citing him to negate our argument would be like citing Einstein to negate Newton's general assertion that Gravity existed.
I'm sure he's one of those people that fell for the Einstein stumping his atheist teacher email that is spread over Facebook every 3 years.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:15 pm to OMLandshark
I especially love when these loons quote Gould.
Gould has commented many, many times about how horrified he is that mouthbreathers use is quotes out of context in order to assert some asinine point.
Gould has never questioned at any point the Theory of Evolution in the way they think. He has clarified his points on numerous occasions, especially as to the one quoted earlier.
Gould has commented many, many times about how horrified he is that mouthbreathers use is quotes out of context in order to assert some asinine point.
Gould has never questioned at any point the Theory of Evolution in the way they think. He has clarified his points on numerous occasions, especially as to the one quoted earlier.
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:16 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
Ah so you’re suggesting that dinosaurs and every other extinct animal coexisted with today’s creatures? Please tell me that’s not the case.
This post was edited on 2/11/19 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:29 pm to Fun Bunch
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These threads are always good for a laugh. The retards come out the woodwork.
Seriously, I mean holy fricking shite...
You'd think the observation that virtually every single scientist that denies the fact of evolution is strongly tied to a religious affiliation, often Chritian fundamentalism, would raise some mental red flags but there are people willing to surrender those same mental faculties in the face of irrefutable data across almost every scientific discipline.
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