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re: Abortion from a Republican woman's perspective...
Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:44 pm to Colonel Flagg
Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:44 pm to Colonel Flagg
WTF this state supports that. I swear to god y’all are so fricking stupid.
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Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's murder
It may be.
It's murder.
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It may not be.
It's murder.
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Literally millions upon millions disagree on this.
It's murder.
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There isn't a specific answer to this question
It's murder.
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You don't get to frame the discussion to get your desired result.
I do. It's murder.
If you disagree, I'll let God convince you one day when you stand before Him.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:46 pm to themunch
This should not be a state issue. It affects the rights of American people regardless or where you live. By the logic of this being a state issue then segregation should have stayed a state issue too. again there are some dumb arse people on this site.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:47 pm to tommy2tone1999
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Reminds me of Pontius Pilate famous misguided question, "What is truth?"
He was no less culpable then, than you are now.
SFP when he sees something isn't exactly going his way:
Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:47 pm to Tigerinthewoods
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If you disagree, I'll let God convince you one day when you stand before Him.
Nobody is telling you not to hold this personal viewpoint of morality.
We're discussing political policy, which is an entirely different discussion from that.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We're discussing political policy, which is an entirely different discussion from that.
What are humans without morals?
Especially natural law.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:49 pm to MemphisGuy
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SFP when he sees something isn't exactly going his way:
His gibberish did not affect me in any way. I even asked him to make his actual point and stop making Biblical references. He declined.
Your quote applies more to him than me, after that.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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His gibberish did not affect me in any way. I even asked him to make his actual point and stop making Biblical references. He declined.
Your quote applies more to him than me, after that.
Because you don't believe the premise that morality should be separate from politics.
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:51 pm to gaetti15
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What are humans without morals?
What does this have to do with the discussion about politics?
Make an argument/point. Stop trying to be Socratic.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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What does this have to do with the discussion about politics?
Make an argument/point. Stop trying to be Socratic.
Morality guides people.
People interact with one another in social systems.
Politics should not be amoral
Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:56 pm to gaetti15
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Because you don't believe the premise that morality should be separate from politics.
I do believe they are 2 different discussions, at least how you define morality.
And, specifically with abortion, most extreme pro-lifers just want to discuss the personal morality part with their desired framing of the facts, so they can repeat talking points they've practiced with their own.
We can't even get to the political discussion about abortion if we let y'all have that digression. That's why I'm so adamant about keeping the 2 discussions separate. I know exactly what NPC repetition y'all will use and it's tired. Go to Jesusdroppings for that discussion.
We're trying to talk about abortion as a political policy issue here, specifically within the context of the current GOP-DEM divide and the 2024 elections in November.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We can't even get to the political discussion about abortion if we let y'all have that digression. That's why I'm so adamant about keeping the 2 discussions separate. I know exactly what NPC repetition y'all will use and it's tired. Go to Jesusdroppings for that discussion.
We're trying to talk about abortion as a political policy issue here, specifically within the context of the current GOP-DEM divide and the 2024 elections in November.
You cannot separate morality from any form of murder
Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:58 pm to gaetti15
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Morality guides people.
People interact with one another in social systems.
That's fine.
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Politics should not be amoral
How do you feel about the process of democracy and people having a say in their representation and laws that govern them?
Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We're discussing political policy, which is an entirely different discussion from that.
I believe in God and formulate my morality around His word. His word tells me that abortion is murder - that's good enough for me. Not to mention that killing babies is just not my thing. But you do your thing, that's fine, God is all about free will.
You just better hope that there is no God. It might be a little uncomfortable for you one day if there is.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:00 pm to gaetti15
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You cannot separate morality from any form of murder
Sure you can
"I think abortion is immoral and anyone who has one is going to Hell. However, I think government should only ban it after 12 weeks, with exceptions for rape/incest, the health of the mother, and unviable pregnancies"
I just separated it. That morality fits with your morality, and the political policy preference is separate from it.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:01 pm to Tigerinthewoods
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I believe in God and formulate my morality around His word.
Nobody is telling you that you can't or that should be illegal.
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His word tells me that abortion is murder
And having this personal opinion is fine, and nobody is telling you that you can't have it ITT.
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Not to mention that killing babies is just not my thing.
Nobody is telling you that you have to kill babies or have abortions, ITT, either.
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You just better hope that there is no God. It might be a little uncomfortable for you one day if there is.
I've never had an abortion or participated in one, so why are you bringing up God's judgment of me within the realm of abortion?
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I've never had an abortion or participated in one, so why are you bringing up God's judgment of me within the realm of abortion?
You are arguing foe what you call a "reasonable" position that allows for abortion.
You think that doesn't count? Like God just conveniently forgets these things because you think that it's OK for politics sake?
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I've never had an abortion or participated in one, so why are you bringing up God's judgment of me within the realm of abortion?
If you are pro choice, you are just as culpable morally as those who abort their babies.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:10 pm to gaetti15
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You are arguing what you can a "reasonable" position that allows for abortion.
I'm arguing for a reasonable standard for a political policy.
I'm not engaging in abortion personally.
Again, why would God's judgment come into play?
Adultery is immoral, and I think it's immoral. Who on here is proposing that we should expand the state in our lives and adultery should become a criminal matter?
Am I going to be judged by God because I don't think adultery shouldn't be illegal, even though I am not engaging in adultery myself (and think its immoral)?
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Like God just conveniently forgets these things because you think that it's OK for politics sake?
Forgets what, specifically?
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:11 pm to Tigerinthewoods
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If you are pro choice, you are just as culpable morally as those who abort their babies.
I don't think "babies" should be murdered.
However, I don't know at what exact point a "baby" exists. That's not being pro-choice.
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