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Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:04 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:04 am to
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It would seem I'm not the one confusing things.

You're conflating things and using selective editing, which is worse.

This was already covered

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No. It counters their argument as to his personal politics.

I've made separate arguments separate from that theorizing this was focused on abortion, based on different facts (primarily his kill list focusing on abortion-related people).


LINK

Your response to that post selectively edited out the bold part, and you have ignored that clear commentary moving forward to conflate the 2 discussions.

I didn't think I had to 3rd grade this for someone like you, but I will now.

There are multiple discussion ongoing, of which you're conflating these two:

1. The discussion if the shooter was a leftist.

2. The discussion giving opinions analyzing his possible motivations.

Please stop conflating the 2 and discussing each on their own merits.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:05 am to
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I doubt we ever will

THAT specific piece of information? Likely not, specifically why these 2 state reps and not others on his list.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:06 am to
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1. The discussion if the shooter was a leftist.


There is no if. He was a far left loon
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127105 posts
Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:07 am to
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That's a pivot
No it is not. It is a simple question. You have made an assertion on his motivation. Provide evidence to prove that assertion.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
43492 posts
Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:08 am to
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You left out the pertinent MAGA variables


How so?

Cassidy has NO chance.

Like Mary, he ignore his constituents.
Posted by dupergreenie
Member since May 2014
9920 posts
Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:09 am to
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vote that passed 68-65?




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Hortman's decision was met with immediate backlash from her party and constituents as many viewed her vote as a betrayal of the progressive values she had long championed.


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Opening up about the ire of her fellow DFL members, Hortman told KTTC-TV that she "did what leaders do, I stepped up, and I got the job done for the people of Minnesota."

According to Hortman, they had good reason to be upset with her. “I think some of them are pretty, pretty angry. I think that their job was to make folks who voted for that bill feel like crap, and I think that they succeeded,” she stated.




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After a four-hour debate in the House, Speaker Emerita Melissa Hortman (DFL - Brooklyn Park) cast the sole DFL vote, allowing the bill to pass.


In the end, all House Republicans voted for the bill, with Speaker Emerita Melissa Hortman, DFL-Brooklyn Park, casting the 68th vote. Although she said as recently as last Friday that she did not agree with the measure, she can say she was true to her word and stuck to the deal made with  Speaker Lisa Demuth, R-Cold Spring. Her vote also gave all present DFL House members cover to vote against a bill that was anathema to the party’s base but ultimately necessary to secure movement in other budget areas. 
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:10 am to
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There is no if. He was a far left loon

Based on what?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
471485 posts
Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:13 am to
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How so?

Cassidy has NO chance.

Like Mary, he ignore his constituents.


That's evidence of exactly what I was speaking of.

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He could win that, especially if MAGA is sincere about bloodying Cassidy in the primary. That's the JBE playbook on sliding in at the final election.


If MAGA is serious about attacking Cassidy and trying to primary him, it gives someone like JBE a path. If MAGA bloodies Cassidy but he pulls it off, they won't support him and the "bloodying" may turn off some Republicans (this depends on how Cassidy reopnds). If MAGA can pull the upset, you'll see the return of "Republicans for JBE" again (see: Eddie Rispone).
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
471485 posts
Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:15 am to
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In the end, all House Republicans voted for the bill

Along with 4 Democrats, including Hortman. It did not pass 67-66, which would have been her casting "the deciding vote" (assuming the other DEMs didn't participate)

There was no "Deciding vote", as it passed by 3. This is a false narrative.

Where is the link to the quotes? I ran it through Google and it didn't pick up a specific article.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:17 am to
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No it is not.


I gave evidence of the likelihood that he was a Leftist

You discussed that evidence and then pivoted to "or possible propensity for violence?"



I never discussed "possible propensity for violence?"

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You have made an assertion on his motivation.

Again, you're conflating arguments. The evidence I posted (which you just listed) had nothing to do with motivation. It had to do with personal politics, specifically, that he was not a Leftist.

Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
96123 posts
Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:18 am to
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Based on what?


Being a registered Dem, besties with Tampon Tim and his "roomate" being a yuge Trump supporter
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
27377 posts
Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:18 am to
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This guy was an Evangelical Christian who was anti-abortion and anti-trans. How many Leftists do you know who are all 3?


I'm a pro-gay marriage, pro legslization of weed, atheist. If I committed political violence which side of the political aisle would take the blame?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
471485 posts
Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:18 am to
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Provide evidence to prove that assertion.


That would be the "kill list" and not the other discussion about personal politics. The list being purportedly focused on abortion seems to indicate motivation.

I replied separately to help you stop conflating arguments and creating strawmen.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
471485 posts
Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:19 am to
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Being a registered Dem,

Again, not true. He wasn't registered anything.

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besties with Tampon Tim

I see you're getting histrionic with this one

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and his "roomate" being a yuge Trump supporter

giving up I see
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127105 posts
Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:20 am to
You stated multiple times that he is an Evangelical Christian and that was his motivation for the murder.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
471485 posts
Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:20 am to
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I'm a pro-gay marriage, pro legslization of weed, atheist. If I committed political violence which side of the political aisle would take the blame?


This was attempted yesterday, and the response is the same. Those 3 variables can put you across the spectrum.

None of those 3 are as self-limiting as the 3 variables of the shooter (the biggest one being Evangelical Christian).
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
471485 posts
Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:21 am to
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You stated multiple times that he is an Evangelical Christian

Correct

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and that was his motivation for the murder.

Strawman
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
27377 posts
Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:22 am to
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That would be the "kill list" and not the other discussion about personal politics. The list being purportedly focused on abortion seems to indicate motivation.


Maybe he is a leftist who is upset at this abortion up until birth his party supports ruining the public's opinion on the pro-choice movement?
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
27377 posts
Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:22 am to
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This was attempted yesterday, and the response is the same. Those 3 variables can put you across the spectrum.


Assertion.

Feel free to back it up.
Posted by blueboxer1119
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
9685 posts
Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:23 am to
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

Not surprised to see you losing another debate though.

You must be an awful attorney.
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