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re: All the talk on Roe V. Wade
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:00 pm to AggieDub14
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:00 pm to AggieDub14
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Parasite by definition: an organism that lives
And if you examined the DNA of this organism, it would be
1- distinct from the host , and therefore not “a part” of the host
2 - human
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Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:01 pm to CptRusty
Did you even read my post?
If human life begins at conception then God is a cruel entity.
If human life begins at conception then God is a cruel entity.
This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:03 pm to Joshjrn
Fair enough, I’ll probably have more time again tomorrow so I’ll take it back up then.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:04 pm to AggieDub14
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If human life begins at conception then God is a cruel enti
Wel I don’t believe in god so...
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:05 pm to CptRusty
Then what's your argumet?
I've never heard of a non religious pro lifer.
So is a man responsible for creating a human that died if the fertilized egg does not attach to the uteran wall? Is the woman to blame? Who answers for that? If human life begins at conception.
I've never heard of a non religious pro lifer.
So is a man responsible for creating a human that died if the fertilized egg does not attach to the uteran wall? Is the woman to blame? Who answers for that? If human life begins at conception.
This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:10 pm to AggieDub14
Start on page 5 and read from there. If you still have any questions then I’ll be happy to discuss them with you. eta: tomorrow
As to the second part of your post, I will invoke my new favorite word: scienter.
As to the second part of your post, I will invoke my new favorite word: scienter.
This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:12 pm to CptRusty
Okay so you're saying intent matters. Then why do we have manslaughter as a charge?
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:37 pm to AggieDub14
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never heard of a non religious pro lifer.
There are quite a few of 'em I've met over the years.
Personally, I never base my pro-life views on religion, even though I'm religious myself.
This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:53 pm to FooManChoo
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Possibly but the possibility of it being overturned is greater now than it has been in a long time.
What is 0 x 2?
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:55 pm to Undertow
Life begins at Erection.
Don't waste one tonight.
Don't waste one tonight.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:56 pm to AggieDub14
quote:If every single person ever conceived is tainted by sin, guilty of the original sin of Adam, and deserving of death according to the standard of perfection that God set forth then God isn't cruel at all.
If human life begins at conception then God is a cruel entity.
Miscarriage is a reminder of the fall and the brevity of life. It's a call to repentance and a reminder of the need for Christ's atoning sacrifice.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:57 pm to AggieDub14
quote:They are a minority among Pro-Lifers, but there are plenty of them. Their arguments tend to be more coherent than the religious arguments.
I've never heard of a non religious pro lifer.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:57 pm to AggieHank86
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Their arguments tend to be more coherent than the religious arguments.
Truth.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:21 pm to TbirdSpur2010
The Christian one is ultimately all that matters but I'm happy to talk about morality from a philosophical standpoint. Abandoning the Christian morality in favor of moral relativism is dangerous because you open yourself up to justification of absolutely any practice imaginable, no matter how depraved or sick.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 5:55 am to FooManChoo
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The Christian one is ultimately all that matters
"God says" isn't an argument.
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Abandoning the Christian morality in favor of moral relativism is dangerous because you open yourself up to justification of absolutely any practice imaginable, no matter how depraved or sick.
Christian morality is much more dangerous because you're saying you have absolute authority over morality and that your practices are justified by a god, no matter how depraved or sick.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 6:23 am to AggieDub14
quote:Thats called death by natural causes.
So is a man responsible for creating a human that died if the fertilized egg does not attach to the uteran wall? Is the woman to blame? Who answers for that? If human life begins at conception.
Same thing for a miscarriage .
An abortion is intentionally killing a human being, as was said earlier humans kill other humans all the time.
Just be honest about what the choice really is.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 7:21 am to FooManChoo
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The Christian one is ultimately all that matters
That doesn't amount to a hill of beans when you're talking to a non-christian.
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Abandoning the Christian morality in favor of moral relativism is dangerous
Just stop.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 7:36 am to AggieDub14
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Then why do we have manslaughter as a charge?
There are prerequisites for a manslaughter conviction depending on whether it is voluntary or involuntary, most pertinent of which: criminal negligence and recklessness.
I don't see how this would apply unless you plan on suggesting that couples having sex are being criminally negligent or reckless?
I find this unlikely because, to circle back to the concept of duty, you cannot owe a duty to a zygote prior to engaging in sex, because that zygote didn't exist prior to your having sex.
As another poster pointed out, what you're describing is a miscarriage, which is something no one has any control over or ability to foresee (reasonably or otherwise), so the idea that this would qualify as a prosecuteable homicide is absurd.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 7:42 am to Joshjrn
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I'm not sure if that's true, at least not if you spent any time on the thread I linked way back when:
I have not, I only read the analogy you suggested.
Also, to be clear, when I typed:
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So far I haven’t been presented with any standard for abortion which I consider to be sufficiently un-arbitrary.
The standard I was referring to was a standard for abdication of personhood which would then justify the abortion. The way I wrote it, that may not have been apparent.
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The concept of eviction is utterly non-arbitrary. A woman may, at any point, evict the zygote/fetus from her body and therefore refuse to allow it to be parasitic on her
This goes back to the question of personhood. If you agree the fetus has it - obviously this is a violation of the negative right to life. If you don't agree the fetus has it, then eviction - abortion - morning after pill - doesn't really make a difference.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 7:45 am to FooManChoo
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The Christian one is ultimately all that matters but I'm happy to talk about morality from a philosophical standpoint.
You need to also understand that unless you are capable of making a secular argument, you are doomed to fail.
Citing to the Bible is an appeal to authority logical fallacy.
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