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re: Any Freemasons on this board?
Posted on 1/19/22 at 1:57 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
Posted on 1/19/22 at 1:57 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
Makes me think of when I was. 27 back in the day and an old neighbor friend asked me to join the Rotary Club. It was a group of extremely old guys basically bashing ideas around and we never really did anything. I told my buddy I would not be going to any more meetings after I got past the 6 month period.
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Posted on 1/19/22 at 2:05 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 1/19/22 at 2:07 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Masons are quite anti-Catholic. I’m not demonizing them but staying a fact.
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And so the demonization of the Masons can be chalked up to the Catholics?
You might actually want to read history. You have this backwards. Catholics used to be masons until 1738. it is the Catholic church that banned members from joining fraternal and secrete societies.
Major concern at the time is that masons treated members as equals regardless of their Christian affiliation in this instance.
Higher ups in the church had major concerns that Catholics mingling with Protestants within the walls of the lodge was dangerous, what with several power struggles happening in France, England and Scotland.
The papal bull of 1738 speaks to threats to their Catholic beliefs, but it had more to do with the thrown of England at the time.
Since then Catholics and Protestants alike have petitioned the Holy See to change its mind and to halt the excommunication of Catholics who join the masons.
Many Catholics left the church after the bull of 1738 and more recently Catholics have joined regardless of the church's stance, but their numbers a few - most are also KOF members as well. I personally know 2.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 2:08 pm to Redbone
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You are talking through your butt.
Are you sure?
Im comfortable with my study and understanding of the issues here.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 2:12 pm to Bayoubred
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statements in it are unscriptural.
So everything said at a graveside by those who mourn the dead must be an exact quoted passage from scriptures?
I have watched people read poems and sing songs that they wrote or that the deceased appreciated. How is this any different?
Posted on 1/19/22 at 2:17 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
This is really again the other way around. The US adopted it in 1782, Masonry did not adopt it until sometime after and mostly in US lodges.
Its major usages can be found through out Christianity during the renaissance.
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 1/19/22 at 2:23 pm to Seldom Seen
Being a Freemason is to live a life of mortal sin. It’s whole purpose is to undermine Christianity and the Church.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 2:29 pm to CauleyHog
Who drinks and parties more? Masons or KofC?
Posted on 1/19/22 at 2:31 pm to Meauxjeaux
quote:I'm very sure.
Are you sure?
quote:I'm comfortable in knowing you are on the outside looking in and I am a long time member that sits through closed door meetings.
Im comfortable with my study and understanding of the issues here.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 2:33 pm to Meauxjeaux
Laugh on boss. My faith is defined by God not the pope. plain and simple. Could give a rats arse whether you agree or not.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 2:43 pm to LookSquirrel
So this book and your image are a bit of a cherry pick. I have actually read from this book and it is a gathering of ancient teachings and sciences as they were known in the ancient world. one has to remember that the Pythagorean theory was considers "magic".
Magic does not always mean Hogwarts and Lord of the rings. The the ancient minds of antiquity it was a type of science, theory, recording of the natural world. When only one percent or less of the population could read and write it was seen as higher power to the masses. Line graphs, symbols and shapes were used to identify and help teach and remember this knowledge. Ancients may have called it magic, 5th graders call it geometry.
This book you cite looks at the sciences of astrology, geometry etc. that would inspire the great minds of Greece, Roam and the renaissance and beyond. So when the use magic as a term they are using it as it would have been used by those who were the first to study the cosmos and the theories of mathematics and it honors and revers their intellect. What it is not, is some book of spells and this section is maybe on half of a percent of the volume of information.
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 1/19/22 at 3:27 pm to winkchance
I enjoyed the National Treasures movies.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 3:28 pm to winkchance
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Magic does not always mean Hogwarts and Lord of the rings.
I'm pretty sure the word "magic" derives from a Babylonian word for "fire".
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:45 pm to tigerbaiter
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Laugh on boss. My faith is defined by God not the pope. plain and simple. Could give a rats arse whether you agree or not
I’m not questioning your faith. Your conviction, on the other hand…
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:21 pm to winkchance
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recently Catholics have joined regardless of the church's stance, but their numbers a few - most are also KOF members as well. I personally know 2.
As do I.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:35 pm to Themole
The local Priest was also a member of the Masonic lodge for a period of time until some busybody finally complained to the Bishop. The Bishop made him choose one or the other.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:57 pm to CauleyHog
quote:So why are we all Christians.
Being a Freemason is to live a life of mortal sin. It’s whole purpose is to undermine Christianity and the Church.
We are doing a terrible job of undermining churches if you are right.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:12 pm to Redbone
So the re-enactment of the death and false resurrection of Hiram Abbiff is what? Pro-Christian?
Are you denying Mason lead the fight against parochial schools?
Are you denying Masons confiscated all church property during the French third republic?
Are you also going to deny Masons persecuted and slaughtered Catholics after the Mexican revolution?
All of these are well documented historical facts of who the Masons are and how they act toward the Catholic Church.
Are you denying Mason lead the fight against parochial schools?
Are you denying Masons confiscated all church property during the French third republic?
Are you also going to deny Masons persecuted and slaughtered Catholics after the Mexican revolution?
All of these are well documented historical facts of who the Masons are and how they act toward the Catholic Church.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 9:00 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
If you want to open up that can of worms I'll bring up the history of the Catholic church.
In fact the Pope is sitting on piles of gold at this very moment. Since the rich cannot get into heaven where does that leave you and your church in a day and time when Masons, K of C and so many others are trying to help our fellow man?
I'm denying that the Masonic Lodge at this time has anything against Catholics. I'm married to one and the lodge knows it.
Now let's look at your #1. H.B. is not raised from the dead. Try joining them if you want to understand it correctly. A second and more important point is that is merely part of the ritual of the lodge which is not a church nor religion. We believe in God. H.B. could not be pulled from the grave. He could not be raised by man. That was the end of H.B.
So continue to stew in your hate and ignorance. I'm very happy with my life as a Baptist (not a protestant), my lodge, my Catholic family and many friends, and Catholic Brother Masons.
In fact the Pope is sitting on piles of gold at this very moment. Since the rich cannot get into heaven where does that leave you and your church in a day and time when Masons, K of C and so many others are trying to help our fellow man?
I'm denying that the Masonic Lodge at this time has anything against Catholics. I'm married to one and the lodge knows it.
Now let's look at your #1. H.B. is not raised from the dead. Try joining them if you want to understand it correctly. A second and more important point is that is merely part of the ritual of the lodge which is not a church nor religion. We believe in God. H.B. could not be pulled from the grave. He could not be raised by man. That was the end of H.B.
So continue to stew in your hate and ignorance. I'm very happy with my life as a Baptist (not a protestant), my lodge, my Catholic family and many friends, and Catholic Brother Masons.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 9:14 am to Meauxjeaux
quote:So does that mean he is going to hell?
I’m not questioning your faith. Your conviction, on the other hand…
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