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re: AP: Robert E. Lee a racist icon
Posted on 8/13/17 at 9:53 pm to magildachunks
Posted on 8/13/17 at 9:53 pm to magildachunks
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Posted on 8/13/17 at 9:54 pm to SCLibertarian
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If someone invades your home, are you going to fight back or just retire? Lee's home was in Arlington, a stone's throw from where an army was being amassed to invade his homeland. The first major battle of the war was at Manassas. More battles were fought in Virginia than in any other state. It was a wasteland in 1865.
The war was fought in the South. It wasn't the Yankees who had to worry about their homes being destroyed or burned, their families being killed and their communities ruined. That's why so many Southerners who had no stake in slavery or didn't own slaves fought.
He could just as easily have framed his decision as fighting to repatriate his homeland to his country against the traitors who usurped his state gov't and still kept his precious virtue and honor and NOT been in support of enslaving people based on their race.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 9:54 pm to AU86
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Link to him being tried or convicted of treason?
I guess OJ isn't a murderer then.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 9:56 pm to magildachunks
Still waiting on that link. Grant didn't even think that he had committed treason. Read the article.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 9:58 pm to WheelRoute
And you think the glorious Union was fighting to end slavery? They were fighting to preserve the Union by invading and subjugating a region that declared themselves independent, just as the 13 colonies had in 1776. Hell, the Free Soilers and Yankee Republicans opposed the expansion of slavery because they didn't want blacks in their territories at all.
Not to mention, the bulk of the Union Army were poor Irish lads, fresh off the boat from famine and conflict, who were no better off than the slaves in the South. They died in droves, and for what? To kill their fellow Irishman over an institution about which they knew nothing?
Not to mention, the bulk of the Union Army were poor Irish lads, fresh off the boat from famine and conflict, who were no better off than the slaves in the South. They died in droves, and for what? To kill their fellow Irishman over an institution about which they knew nothing?
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:01 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
If Displaced Buckeye were alive in 1776, he'd be a British Loyalist and publicly torturing people for opposing the Stamp Act.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:04 pm to SCLibertarian
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And you think the glorious Union was fighting to end slavery? They were fighting to preserve the Union by invading and subjugating a region that declared themselves independent, just as the 13 colonies had in 1776. Hell, the Free Soilers and Yankee Republicans opposed the expansion of slavery because they didn't want blacks in their territories at all.
They were fighting to preserve the union. Later, they framed it as a fight to end slavery. Regardless of political posturing or strategy, the outcome would be the same: the destruction of the most immoral and heinous institution in our nation's history.
Lee was a traitor to his country who killed thousands of Americans in defense of slavery. Framing his choice to do so in these, frankly, hilariously homoerotic mytho-poetic terms about his near erotic love affair with sweet sweet Virginia and her supple, rolling, fertile hills doesn't change that fact.
This post was edited on 8/13/17 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:05 pm to AU86
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Still waiting on that link. Grant didn't even think that he had committed treason. Read the article.
Read the article.
Grant fought to uphold the word given to Lee that they would not be tried for treason.
He believed that they absolutely committed treason, but that the peace terms were more important than possibly starting another war by breaking them.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:09 pm to WheelRoute
And if we had lost the Revolutionary War, I'm sure you'd be rambling about how those Virginia and Carolina slaveholders were traitors and were only interested in maintaining the slave trade and not paying taxes.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:11 pm to SCLibertarian
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And if we had lost the Revolutionary War, I'm sure you'd be rambling about how those Virginia and Carolina slaveholders were traitors and were only interested in maintaining the slave trade and not paying taxes.
Probably
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:14 pm to Strannix
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I can sum it up easier, the left became the Taliban
That's what happens when the Right just takes their lickings and attacks from the Left and ignores it.
I mean, didn't anybody think when Time and Newsweek came out with Magazine Covers in the 90's that the White Male was the enemy within...and males were like, ah whatever, I still drive a nice car...
That not confronting and denouncing and easily exposing the Left, the right just capitulated and went about their lives until they woke up one day and were like...what the hell is going on now?
Ah, member that time 20 years ago when the media declared war on white males and nobody did anything to counter-act that?
It's called unfettered progression by the left to crazy town.
This post was edited on 8/13/17 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:15 pm to magildachunks
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He committed treason.
So did George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, et al. and yet they're universally worshipped from sea to shining sea.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:15 pm to SCLibertarian
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And if we had lost the Revolutionary War, I'm sure you'd be rambling about how those Virginia and Carolina slaveholders were traitors and were only interested in maintaining the slave trade and not paying taxes.
Well you judge me on what you think I might do and I'll judge you based on what you are doing: mythologizing a traitor who killed thousands of americans in a losing effort in support of slavery and then justifying it because he had a hard on for the blue ridge mountains.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:16 pm to magildachunks
I guess even Chief Justice Salmon Chase agreed with General Grant.
“If you bring these [Confederate] leaders to trial it will condemn the North, for by the Constitution secession is not rebellion. Lincoln wanted Davis to escape, and he was right. His capture was a mistake. His trial will be a greater one.”
Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase, July 1867 (Foote, The Civil War, Vol. 3, p. 765)
“If you bring these [Confederate] leaders to trial it will condemn the North, for by the Constitution secession is not rebellion. Lincoln wanted Davis to escape, and he was right. His capture was a mistake. His trial will be a greater one.”
Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase, July 1867 (Foote, The Civil War, Vol. 3, p. 765)
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:17 pm to Telstra
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So did George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, et al. and yet they're universally worshipped from sea to shining sea.
There's a difference.
Can you guess what it is?
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:17 pm to WheelRoute
We have an elementary school named after him in my town, and you snowflakes can forget a name change. We will run your candy asses into the swamps if you come down here trying it.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:22 pm to magildachunks
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What, exactly, should Lee be honored for?
I'm being serious. What did he ever accomplish that was great?
List them all.
He graduated No. 2 in his class at West Point without receiving a single demerit. He is only 1 of 2 graduates in history of West Point to do so. That is pretty great to me.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:22 pm to SCLibertarian
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If Displaced Buckeye were alive in 1776, he'd be a British Loyalist and publicly torturing people for opposing the Stamp Act.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:22 pm to antibarner
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We have an elementary school named after him in my town, and you snowflakes can forget a name change. We will run your candy asses into the swamps if you come down here trying it.
Change comes from within. It'll be your elected officials chosen by you and your neighbors that change the name of your school. And when that time comes, all you'll do is make a post here to see your views echoed and validated by people who had their schools' names changed a few years earlier.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:24 pm to magildachunks
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What, exactly, should Lee be honored for?
I'm being serious. What did he ever accomplish that was great?
List them all.
Put down John Brown's rebellion against the US at Harper's Ferry.
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