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re: Arkansas' new Ten Commandments monument at Capitol destroyed
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:16 pm to MastrShake
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:16 pm to MastrShake
quote:Depending on the definition, a "fact" is just a piece of true information, or something that is real or has happened. A fact doesn't always have to be indisputable as what is considered indisputable at one time may not be so after time has passed and witnesses die or context is lost. What you're really asking for is some verifiable source (outside the Bible) that says we belong to God and can be verified as factual beyond a doubt. Not going to happen based on the nature of the claim, but that doesn't mean such a claim is not true. You just don't accept it as such.
yes, exactly. an independent source. thats what "facts" are. a fact is not just something someone says, its something that can be confirmed by others over and over again, something that remains the same every single time.
quote:link?
everything else is just fantasy.
quote:You seem to be a naturalist and a materialist, which means you only believe that which you can observe with your senses. That excludes the supernatural. I believe in the supernatural and certain claims based in the supernatural that cannot be verified or falsified by natural means. The nature of those claims means they cannot pass your test, however that does not mean they are false.
i can pass that test with every single fact i believe in. why cant you, and what does that say?
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:16 pm to Homesick Tiger
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:16 pm to tigersbh
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If a state legislature is ever willing to approve that then it's over for this country.
You don't kinda see how this never happening because it's a Christian majority nation is playing favorites?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:18 pm to Homesick Tiger
quote:
getting a poke from your wife.
I'll be honest. I would have never taken you for a fan of pegging.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:20 pm to olddawg26
quote:Yes, I do think that the non religious cherry-pick verses in the Bible. My response was to someone who was doing it before our very eyes.
You have GOT to be kidding. You think it's the non religious that cherry pick verses in the Bible? Hooooooly crap
If you want me to affirm that religious (Christians in particular) do the same thing, I will. I've said as much previously and I'll do it again.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:23 pm to FooManChoo
I mean as long as you're willing to say both sides do that crap.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:39 pm to olddawg26
quote:I am. Christians are sinners, too. The difference between the believer and the unbeliever is not sin, but forgiveness.
I mean as long as you're willing to say both sides do that crap.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:46 pm to TBoy
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imaginary qualities
Leftists most certainly despise Christianity, but that's just an off-shoot of their hatred for Western Civilization.
Their affinity for Islam is just a symptom of that. They only love Islam in the West, where it conflicts with traditionally Christian cultures.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:57 pm to FooManChoo
quote:no, the difference is that i dont sin. thats not a real thing. if you want it to apply to you, so be it, but it doesnt apply to me. at all.
The difference between the believer and the unbeliever is not sin, but forgiveness.
this is the perfect example of whats wrong with people like you. you put your beliefs above all others, you think everyone should be seen though the prism of your personal feelings.
and there's never any compromise with a different point of view, because you don't have opinions, you have beliefs based on "the word of god", whatever that happens to mean at the moment. youre truly that arrogant.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:30 pm to MastrShake
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no, the difference is that i dont sin. thats not a real thing. if you want it to apply to you, so be it, but it doesnt apply to me. at all.
"If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." -1 John 1:8
quote:I would hope so. To put anything else above my beliefs would be to commit idolatry.
this is the perfect example of whats wrong with people like you. you put your beliefs above all others
quote:Beliefs, not feelings. You're also describing something called a worldview. Everyone has one of those.
you think everyone should be seen though the prism of your personal feelings.
quote:Is it arrogance to believe you know the truth about something and desire to defend that belief against those who disagree? I don't believe so unless you want to admit that everyone is arrogant based on that definition since everyone has some belief in truth that they defend and even "push" on others to one degree or another. You are doing this very thing here by condemning my beliefs, as if you know what is and is not true. You are doing to me the very same thing you accuse me of.
and there's never any compromise with a different point of view, because you don't have opinions, you have beliefs based on "the word of god", whatever that happens to mean at the moment. youre truly that arrogant.
Arrogance also doesn't apply here because arrogance is an inflated opinion of self. I don't have that. I know I'm a sinner and deserving of the wrath of God. I also trust that Christ will save me from that wrath, but I don't believe that because I think I'm worthy or deserve it. Quite the opposite. That's not arrogance. Arrogance would say that my faith is true because I believe it. I say that my faith is true because it is regardless of if I believe it or not. The emphasis is not on myself here, therefore arrogance cannot apply.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:39 pm to rbWarEagle
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You know what comes along with wealth?
Having wealth is not the same thing as loving money.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:46 pm to DawgfaninCa
Good post. What the frick are you talking about?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:48 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Merely displaying the Ten Commandments on State grounds is NOT mandating people to follow one State religion.
The 6 people who downvoted my comment obviously don't know the defintion of mandate.
quote:
an official order or commission to do something.
"a mandate to seek the release of political prisoners"
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:50 pm to rbWarEagle
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Good post. What the frick are you talking about?
Just because someone has wealth does not mean they love money.
Duh.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:04 pm to olddawg26
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Merely displaying the Ten Commandments on State grounds is NOT mandating people to follow one State religion.
quote:
Hahahaha dude
Obviously, you don't even know what the word "mandate" means in the context that I used it.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:08 pm to redneck hippie
quote:
this same guy did this in Oklahoma a few years ago
quote:
Reed described his battle with mental illness. He was diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder after he was checked into Norman’s Griffin Memorial Hospital in January 2015.
Reed said in the letter that his psychotic episodes led him to believe that Michael Jackson’s spirit was contained in a killer virus inside meat, and that he heard voices that led him to believe that “Satan was the real God, and God the Father was a cruel god.” He also tried to reach Satan’s high priestess, whom he called Gwyneth Paltrow and believed he was the reincarnation of an occult leader.
How am I being like that guy?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:08 pm to FooManChoo
quote:when there is zero factual evidence of that "truth", then yes, absolutely, it is the pinnacle of arrogance.
Is it arrogance to believe you know the truth about something and desire to defend that belief against those who disagree?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:14 pm to MastrShake
quote:
Is it arrogance to believe you know the truth about something and desire to defend that belief against those who disagree?
quote:
when there is zero factual evidence of that "truth", then yes, absolutely, it is the pinnacle of arrogance.
It is arrogant for you to think you know there is zero factual evidence. Some people may have seen some factual evidence with their own eyes but can't show it to you or anyone else.
That doesn't mean it isn't the truth.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:14 pm to MastrShake
quote:There is not "zero factual evidence of that 'truth'", though. There just isn't the type of evidence you accept.
when there is zero factual evidence of that "truth", then yes, absolutely, it is the pinnacle of arrogance.
Hey, if my wife tells me something happened and I have no way to validate that it is true, it's not arrogance for me to believe her even though I don't have any corroborating evidence.
I don't think you understand what "arrogance" means. Go look it up. It's all about self-importance.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:24 pm to olddawg26
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I'd say the contempt of Christianity
Do you have contempt for Christianity?
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