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re: Based Elon - going after Zelensky
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:22 pm to VoxDawg
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:22 pm to VoxDawg
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Not before
So Putin HAS violated Ukrainian sovereignty, with armed force, but after his puppet was deposed and a CIA/MI6 (let's not pretend that GB hasn't been just as involved in Ukraine since WWII) puppet put in place?
What's the proper response to having your sovereignty violated with armed force?
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:25 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Willing to kill his people for entry into nato
So you don't believe that Putin violated Ukrainian sovereignty?
Nope. If you had clear sight on why Russia did what it had too you would understand. Unfortunately the blinders keep you from seeing it.
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:26 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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So you don't believe that Putin violated Ukrainian sovereignty?
Zelensky made threats about getting the Ukraine nuke program spun up again to lob nukes at Russia, so...this is not exactly a straight forward question.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:34 pm to Warboo
Russia hasnt done 1/100th of the evil the us government is responsible for. At least not since the end of the Cold War
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:36 pm to GhostOfFreedom
zelensky is a useful pawn, who's extorting cash.
more like useful idiot, his time will come soon enough. Biden and others won't need him anymore, and hell end up missing or deaded, by a russian so called assassin,,,,,errrr cia agent
more like useful idiot, his time will come soon enough. Biden and others won't need him anymore, and hell end up missing or deaded, by a russian so called assassin,,,,,errrr cia agent
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:39 pm to Warboo
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So you don't believe that Putin violated Ukrainian sovereignty?
Nope.
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the blinders keep you from seeing
Wholly frick, wow.
My blinders didn't keep me from seeing armed columns of Russian troops marching on Kyiv from Belorussia in clear violation of Ukraine's sovereignty.
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Russia did what it had too [sic]
You don't even realize the implications of what you're saying.
You rationalize Russia's invasion of Ukraine with armed force because Ukraine has been fricking with Russia for years.
Since the United States of America has been fricking with Russia for decades, to be consistent you must think it's justifiable for Russia to invade the US with an armed column. And you imply that we should just roll over and take it.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:44 pm to POTUS2024
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this is not exactly a straight forward question.
Yes it is. Answer it. If anyone does that to the US, it would justify an armed response. You know this, I know this, everyone on the board knows this, but many do not want to admit it for some reason.
You can say that you don't think we should help them defend their sovereignty, but to deny that's what they're doing is disingenuous - at best. It's when you start to deny the obvious is when you should realize you're falling for propaganda.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:44 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Since the United States of America has been fricking with Russia for decades, to be consistent you must think it's justifiable for Russia to invade the US with an armed column. And you imply that we should just roll over and take it.
If that happened I think most people would welcome it. Our own government has done more damage to this nation than a foreign power could dream of
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:48 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Again though nobody is going to invade our nation because they know as well as anyone else we’ve been invaded from within. Why would they waste the time and money and men
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:51 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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You don't even realize the implications of what you're saying.
You rationalize Russia's invasion of Ukraine with armed force because Ukraine has been fricking with Russia for years.
Since the United States of America has been fricking with Russia for decades, to be consistent you must think it's justifiable for Russia to invade the US with an armed column. And you imply that we should just roll over and take it.
Well that is a dumb arse take. You do realize that the Ukraine government is a arm of the Democratic/Uni-party right? In essence they are invading the US and most people can see why. You unfortunately cannot. This is about like the cuba missile crisis. Russia was moving stuff into Cuba and we had shite fit over it (rightfully so). We moved crap into Ukraine and the russians had a shite fit over it (rightfully so). The difference is the Russians backed down in Cuba. We did not in Ukraine.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:52 pm to TheWolf89
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It’s funny that Putin ain’t doing anything the US deep state didn’t do with Iraq and Afghanistan.
More true than false. I was against those invasions just as I am against the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
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The left has conveniently forgot that. And that was even worse because they did a false flag terror attack to justify their invasion
Wait, WHAT IN THE ACTUAL frick?
Let's make sue to get this straight, it was a REPUBLICAN controlled Congress that violated the Constitution by passing their Constitutional power to declare war to a REPUBLICAN president who proceeded to unlawfully invade two sovereign nations with armed force with the intention of overthrowing their governments and installing puppets.
The War in Iraq and the Afghanistan War were both REPUBLICAN wars, not "left" wars.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:57 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
The republicans and democrats are on the exact same side pal get a clue. It’s a uniparty
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:59 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
When your premise hinges on lifting up GWB as the paragon of conservatism and respect for the Constitution, you're stepping on your own dick right at the jump.
"Republican" =/= Conservative
Assumptions to the contrary are half of the problem we currently face.
That you don't understand that the entirety of Ukraine is basically a rebranded Fourth Reich which has been all too willing to launder the globalist cash than can be sent their way really tells the story. Ukraine was actively agitating Russia for quite some time with their legit Nazi military lurking on the other side of the border, and perpetually provoking a response by seeking NATO membership.
How pissed would the US have been, had the Soviets solicited Mexico as a Warsaw Pact member in the 1980s?
That's what I thought.
"Republican" =/= Conservative
Assumptions to the contrary are half of the problem we currently face.
That you don't understand that the entirety of Ukraine is basically a rebranded Fourth Reich which has been all too willing to launder the globalist cash than can be sent their way really tells the story. Ukraine was actively agitating Russia for quite some time with their legit Nazi military lurking on the other side of the border, and perpetually provoking a response by seeking NATO membership.
How pissed would the US have been, had the Soviets solicited Mexico as a Warsaw Pact member in the 1980s?
That's what I thought.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:59 pm to trinidadtiger
Yes, I am aware.
Automotive and aeronautics are two of the most highly regulated industries in the country. They are both highly subsidized by the government. These kinds of things are to be expected. I don't agree with them, but there is no comparison to what is happening to Trump.
Automotive and aeronautics are two of the most highly regulated industries in the country. They are both highly subsidized by the government. These kinds of things are to be expected. I don't agree with them, but there is no comparison to what is happening to Trump.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 4:19 pm to TheWolf89
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The republicans and democrats are on the exact same side pal get a clue. It’s a uniparty
Yeah?
If that's so, if they're on the same side, when was the last time you pulled the lever for a Democrat vs Republican?
Posted on 10/2/23 at 4:30 pm to VoxDawg
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When your premise hinges on lifting up GWB as the paragon of conservatism
It does not.
My premise is that Putin has violated Ukraine's sovereignty with armed force.
My conclusion is that Zelensky is simply doing the very thing that everyone else on this board would be doing under the same circumstances, yet people who don't support Biden insist that Zelensky is simply "killing his own people".
Let's not take our eyes off the ball. My mention of the US wars was only to correct the mistaken impression that they were Obama's or Biden's, or really any other Democrat's wars. They were started by a Republican president operating with the express consent of a Republican Congress, and the support of the vast majority of Republican voters.
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That you don't understand that the entirety of Ukraine is basically a rebranded Fourth Reich which has been all too willing to launder the globalist cash than can be sent their way really tells the story. Ukraine was actively agitating Russia for quite some time with their legit Nazi military lurking on the other side of the border, and perpetually provoking a response by seeking NATO membership.
The United States has been doing much worse over the last 80 years, but none of us are willing to allow an armed invasion of our country without an armed response.
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How pissed would the US have been, had the Soviets solicited Mexico as a Warsaw Pact member in the 1980s?
WTF?
Why not use an actual example?
the USSR was far more involved in Cuba than Mexico, but that still didn't justify the Bay of Pigs.
Many on this board want to kill unarmed people crossing our southern border, yet they don't think Zelensky should be using his army to kill armed invaders? How cowardly is that? We'll only try to kill unarmed invaders, that way no one can blamed for "killing [our] own people"?
Posted on 10/2/23 at 4:33 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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So Putin HAS violated Ukrainian sovereignty,
I don't give a frick.
But having said that, Ukraine is a puppet state of the U.S. and this is a proxy war with Russia, that only occurred after the U.S. took actions to bate Putin and force him into this current reality.
But I still don't give a frick.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 4:35 pm to TheWolf89
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If that happened I think most people would welcome it.
Okay, you're not even serious.
See ya.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 4:44 pm to Warboo
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they are invading the US
Who is having their sovereignty violated with armed troops, the US?
No.
Ukraine?
Yes.
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This is about like the cuba missile crisis. Russia was moving stuff into Cuba and we had shite fit over it (rightfully so). The difference is the Russians backed down in Cuba.
First of all, the Russians didn't back down, we agreed to move our missiles out of Turkey if they took the missiles out of Cuba. That's what ended the crisis.
Second of all, you're justifying the Bay of Pigs invasion which failed miserably.
Regardless of ALL this bullshite, No one on the board can rationally argue against Zelensky using an armed response to Putin. Everyone one here would do the same thing - and justifiably so.
The only controversy is whether or not we should assist such a corrupt government against another just as corrupt government.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 6:27 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Not our circus. Not our monkeys. We are not the world's beat cop.
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