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re: Best President this country has had?
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:24 am to TOKEN
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:24 am to TOKEN
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1. Lincoln (not even close)
2. Washington
3. FDR
4. Jefferson
5. Teddy Roosevelt
6. Eisenhower
7. Wilson
8. Truman
9. Reagan
10. Monroe
I see anything but Lincoln at #1 then I don’t take you seriously
Wilson should be in the bottom 10. The only reason Wilson ranks highly in any rankings is because it's mostly his fellow travelers - academics - making those rankings.
He was a conniving, racist, arrogant, and ignorant piece of crap whose policy did tremendous damage. FDR sucked, too, and Jefferson honestly wasn't that great of a president.
Polk should be in the top ten. McKinley should be higher. Madison, too.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 11:44 am
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:29 am to GoAwayImBaitn
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Lincoln did not whip anyone's arse.
Yes, he did.
quote:
He did take away the powers from the states and expanded the power of the federal government.
He empowered traitors. That was a mistake.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:29 am to GoAwayImBaitn
quote:
Best President this country has had?
Lincoln.
Let the hate roll in.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:30 am to GoAwayImBaitn
quote:
Indians were at war with settlers at the time. It was war.
The Five Civilized Tribes in the South that were shipped West had done a fairly good job of assimilating by the early 19th century. There were systems of government, plantation economics, written language.
Their brown skin would ultimately be their downfall.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:32 am to GoAwayImBaitn
pre Trump
Washington
Lincoln
Reagan
Kennedy
now
Trump
Obama (because he gave us Trump)
Washington
Lincoln
Reagan
Kennedy
Washington
Lincoln
Reagan
Kennedy
now
Trump
Obama (because he gave us Trump)
Washington
Lincoln
Reagan
Kennedy
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:41 am to GoAwayImBaitn
Grover Cleveland.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:19 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
Lincoln did not whip anyone's arse.
Yes, he did.
Really? What battles was Lincoln a commander in?
quote:
He empowered traitors.
They were not traitors. Citizens of the USA are both citizens of the nation and citizens of their state, and in 1860 and 1861 there was no law or legal precedent that said that Americans were citizens of the US first or citizens of the state first. The Constitution does not clarify it. It was very similar to what the situation in the EU is now. Citizens are both citizens of the EU and citizens of their country. Do you consider the citizens of the UK to be traitors since they voted to leave the EU?
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That was a mistake.
Lincoln's decision to call for the state's militia to crush the rebellion was the reason that the second batch of Southern states left the Union. Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri only remained in the Union because Lincoln committed multiple impeachable offenses and violated the Constitution in several ways when he disbanded the sate legislatures and suspend habitués corpus or whatever that is called. That was a huge mistake because it guaranteed that there would be a Civil War. Lincoln should have taken the matter to the SCOTUS. He did not take the issue to the SCOTUS because he knew that he was probably going to lose. The Constitution did not mention anything about states leaving the Union and the 10th Amendment says that those powers not mentioned are left up to the states and the people, and prior to Texas v. White in 1868 there was no legal precedent or court ruling that said the states could not leave the Union. It was an open question and Lincoln knew that there were no republicans on the SCOTUS and only one Whig on the SCOTUS. All the rest were democrats. Lincoln was aware that he would probably lose in court so he chose war over litigation. That was a mistake and that is why all the bloodshed of the Civil War is on his hands.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:25 pm to WeeWee
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They were not traitors. Citizens of the USA are both citizens of the nation and citizens of their state, and in 1860 and 1861 there was no law or legal precedent that said that Americans were citizens of the US first and citizens of the state first.
You’ll need to provide a link to support this. Though a creative premise, the states that seceded and the citizens...especially the officers that joined the Confederacy...were traitors. The officers that led the Confederate Army could have been executed, but Lincoln and Grant (especially Grant) opted for leniency.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:31 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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You say that like it's a bad thing..
Calm down, Hitler.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 12:36 am to GoAwayImBaitn
The truth is without Andrew Jackson, New Orleans falls in the War of 1812 and the Republic is lost to Great Britain.
Jackson is a pillar of America. May not be popular.
But the man is a legitimate American hero.
Jackson is a pillar of America. May not be popular.
But the man is a legitimate American hero.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:26 am to 225bred
Boys will be boys. “Come and take New Orleans you frickers! I got pirates, Cajuns, Indians and an assortment of other bad arse baws on my side! You ain’t getting our hoes and booze either you Monarch loving dickwads!” Major General Andrew Jackson
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 3:35 am
Posted on 1/15/19 at 3:56 am to 225bred
quote:
The truth is without Andrew Jackson, New Orleans falls in the War of 1812 and the Republic is lost to Great Britain.
Jackson is a pillar of America. May not be popular.
But the man is a legitimate American hero.
Yes, and a bad president.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 6:23 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
quote:
You’ll need to provide a link to support this. Though a creative premise,
It is not a creative premise. The concept of state citizenship was the norm at the time the Constitution was written. In fact it was written into the original Constitution of the United States.
quote:Article Three, Section two
The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State;—between Citizens of different States;—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.
quote:
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
Article 4, Section Two
Notice how it says citizens of the states and not residents of the states. Also in the Dred Scott v. Sanford the SCOTUS ruled that African Americans were not citizens of the USA but free blacks were citizens of the states that granted citizenship to free blacks.
quote:LINK
A State, by its laws passed since the adoption of the Constitution, may put a foreigner or any other description of persons upon a footing with its own citizens as to all the rights and privileges enjoyed by them within its dominion and by its laws. But that will not make him a citizen of the United States, nor entitle him to sue in its courts, nor to any of the privileges and immunities of a citizen in another State.
In 1860 and 1861 when the states seceded the legal precedent at the time had US citizenship and state citizenship as two separate entities.
quote:
the states that seceded and the citizens...especially the officers that joined the Confederacy...were traitors.
The states that seceded and the citizens of those citizen renounced their US citizenship and resigned from the US military. So they were no longer citizens of the USA and they were not members of the US military. How can you execute someone for treason if they have renounced their citizenship and resigned from the military?
Have you ever stoped and asked why Lincoln and Grant were lenient. Yes, they had won on the battlefield, and Grant could have ordered them to be executed but he would have been committing a war crime and he knew that and Lincoln knew that. Grant could not execute the officers without a military tribunal where the defendants get to make their case. Lee and the other officers had all resigned from the US military before taking up arms against the US so they could not be charged with mutiny or desertion. The officers would have had legal representation and any lawyer would point out that the 5th and 6th Amendments to the US Constitution, and the laws regarding treason guaranteed them a trial by jury in the state where the crimes were committed. There was a real possibility that all would be found innocent because the trials would have to be held in the south and the reconstruction era laws that stopped former confederates from being on juries had not been passed yet. Can you imagine the headache that would have ensued if Robert E. Lee or Joseph E. Johnson had taken their cases to the federal court and a jury found them not guilty?
Plus in 1865, if they were convicted then the appeals court would have been the appeals court in Maryland which was a slave state and the federal judges there were all democrats appointed by Lincoln's previous southern democrat Presidents ,and there were 5 Republicans appointed by Lincoln on the Supreme Court and 5 non-republicans appointed by prewar democrats on the SCOTUS. There was a real possibility that the Southern viewpoint would have won in the lower courts and a tie in the SCOTUS would have upheld it. That would have nullified the legal basis for the war for the North. Lincoln was a smart lawyer and he knew all that, and he was not willing to take that chance so he instructed his generals to be lenient and issue pardons to prevent that chaos in addition to healing the nation.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 1/15/19 at 6:25 pm to WeeWee
quote:
Really? What battles was Lincoln a commander in?
He was the Commander in Chief.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 6:26 pm to WeeWee
You're putting in an awful lot of work to defend traitors.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:16 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
You're putting in an awful lot of work to defend traitors.
It is actually rather easy. You are just too narrow minded to handle differing opinions.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:36 pm to FredBear
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I am going to go with Trump. Considering all that is going on and the disaster that was the Obama presidency Trump was exactly the president we needed at a time we needed it most
What was so disasterious about the Obama presidency? (honestly curious)
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:03 pm to GoAwayImBaitn
Lincoln
Teddy
Eisenhower
Those are my go to play makers.
Teddy
Eisenhower
Those are my go to play makers.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:48 pm to rpg37
quote:
Lincoln
Teddy
Eisenhower
Good list... I can see why someone would place Teddy and Ike in their top 3. Lincoln is hands down #1
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:56 pm to STLDawg
quote:I would lead with foreign policy — and the way Hillary and John Kerry (both terrible state secretaries and should go down as two of the worst if cnn doesn’t have their way) stumbled to carry it out. We gave the Iranians literally a pallet of cash for no benefit to ourselves and for what reason i can’t grasp. Their “navy” held our sailors at gunpoint in the Persian gulf. They’d shite themselves before trying that again. A globalist foreign policy rationale which never minded America failing to definitively lead the world with strength. We lost that under his watch. Our respect internationally started going way lower than it ever should have. Benghazi, having his red line crossed in Syria etc etc. credit him for taking out osama on his watch but any president would have made that call and shouldn’t have thought twice to send in the Seals. Islamic terror was carpeting Europe by the end of his time at the hands of the lax immigration policy he supported for them— and the United States.Terrorists would have been out of control today had Hillary have won the oval and it would have kept multiplying at the rate it was on when Barry left. Maybe a nice enough guy but without getting into domestic troubles like Obamacare he seemed to be in over his head ala Jimmy Carter, Worlds simply better for him not being there making those kinds of decisions. If mitt wasn’t a clown maybe he would have been a one termer like he should have been. But that’s water under the bridge today
What was so disasterious about the Obama presidency? (honestly curious)
quote:a republican out of Massachusetts if you can ever imagine that happening again.
Coolidge
This post was edited on 1/16/19 at 12:16 am
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