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re: Breaking: Barr directs fed government to reinstate death penalty, 5 ordered executed
Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:25 am to FooManChoo
Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:25 am to FooManChoo
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but if you think a murderer doesn't deserve to die for his crimes, you don't actually believe in justice.
That’s really not the point though. The point is that the entity carrying out the death sentence is also the one that gets to define murder, the one that constructs the legal system and the one who establishes the case against the accused. Under that system, the state can then potentially kill anyone they want under the guise of justice.
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Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:25 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:This impacts my life very little and I expend very little energy and brain power considering this thought. I hadn't thought about it in likely weeks until this thread and it took me all of 15 seconds to be reminded of the allegation and to type out a response. I'm not concerned with the time and energy I'm spending on this, even if it turns out to not be true in the end.
I mean, ANYTHING is possible. It’s not practical to live your life that way though. Every day we exclude things which are technically possible but are so unlikely that it’s a waste of time and energy to consider them.
quote:Actually no. I think Hillary is an evil woman for other reasons and I like to see justice served. If she has really done something so atrocious, I would want to see her get what she deserves. Whether it has positive impact on me politically doesn't matter. It's not needed. Trump will likely get re-elected regardless.
The only reason you’re giving special acknowledge to this highly unlikely scenario is because its politically relevant (and advantageous) for you if it were true.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:26 am to SSpaniel
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And actions have consequences, do they not?
No one is saying there shouldn't be justice or punishment. But there's a not so fine line between removing someone from society for the rest of their life and intentionally taking their life.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:26 am to SSpaniel
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And actions have consequences, do they not?
Yes. And the State deciding to execute them should not be one of them.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:26 am to TBoy
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It's my Catholic upbringing.
The Bible is clear that execution in the name of justice is fine. Romans 13:1-4
Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:27 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Exactly this. And small government advocates honestly should feel the same way.
I don't think I'm theoretically opposed to "a death penalty."
I'm opposed to the American death penalty where dudes commit heinous crimes, sit around for decades only to be killed at a time when no one but the victim's family remembers the crime, the murderer might be a completely different human being, etc. It's just an empty process where justice is unduly prolonged.
Of course, discussion of delay begs the question of whether we can accurately use the death penalty absent delay (which is often used to assure ourselves of the to-be-killed person's guilt), which is, of course, the heart of the issue.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:27 am to Centinel
For the 2nd time...
If not the State, then who is the decision up to
If not the State, then who is the decision up to
This post was edited on 7/25/19 at 10:29 am
Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:27 am to LSURussian
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Aggies....
I'm no lawyer, and didn't even stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
TBS, and since you didn't actually answer the question, I looked it up.
Murder is indeed a state issue, but it can be federally charged in cases Related to rape, child molestation, and sexual exploitation of children (18 U.S.C. Section 2248, 2251). Only one of these summaries mention this.
So, again I ask: What makes these federal crimes?
This post was edited on 7/25/19 at 10:32 am
Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:27 am to ShortyRob
I disagree. I personally think we should bring back public hangings.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:28 am to Centinel
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The State should not have the right to take a life.
Should The State have the right to incarcerate someone for the rest of their life? Why or why not? Why should The State have the right to take away someones freedom?
Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:28 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:That's all true, which is why those same people allow us citizens an opportunity to challenge and change the system through elections, and if we believe the system itself is too corrupt to fix, we are given permission by the state to rebel against it and start over if necessary.
That’s really not the point though. The point is that the entity carrying out the death sentence is also the one that gets to define murder, the one that constructs the legal system and the one who establishes the case against the accused. Under that system, the state can then potentially kill anyone they want under the guise of justice.
In the mean time, I'm OK with the civil magistrate pursuing justice and punishing evil-doers (law-breakers). God will hold each man accountable for his actions.
This post was edited on 7/25/19 at 10:29 am
Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:29 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
He who is without sin can cast the first stone.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:29 am to FooManChoo
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Actually no. I think Hillary is an evil woman for other reasons and I like to see justice served. If she has really done something so atrocious, I would want to see her get what she deserves. Whether it has positive impact on me politically doesn't matter. It's not needed. Trump will likely get re-elected regardless.
Then why aren’t we discussing tabloid rumors regarding other celebrities? Do you spend time wondering if John Lennon really is alive? Or if Al Pacino really has a second penis? Or if Trump really did have immigrants murdered in the detention camps?
Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:32 am to SSpaniel
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Why should The State have the right to take away someones freedom?
Do you honestly not see the difference between keeping someone away from society, and executing the person?
Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:32 am to Vecchio Cane
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Killing these 5 monsters won't stop the next 5, imo
However, it saves the money if would take to give these guys 3 meals, a roof, TV and better health care than the normal population until they die of old age.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:34 am to Centinel
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Do you honestly not see the difference between keeping someone away from society, and executing the person?
I see the difference. But then I think The State has every right to execute people who commit especially heinous crimes... such as murdering children and their families.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:34 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:We can talk about anything you want to talk about.
Then why aren’t we discussing tabloid rumors regarding other celebrities? Do you spend time wondering if John Lennon really is alive? Or if Al Pacino really has a second penis? Or if Trump really did have immigrants murdered in the detention camps?
Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:35 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:
Al Pacino really has a second penis
Umm... what?
Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:35 am to EKG
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This post was edited on 3/15/21 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:37 am to SSpaniel
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But then I think The State has every right to execute people who commit especially heinous crimes... such as murdering children and their families.
I don't. Because the State that can justify executing your for one thing can justify executing you for anything.
That's not even including the wrongly accused. I'd rather have murderers in jail for life than killing even one person who was wrongly accused and/or convicted.
This post was edited on 7/25/19 at 10:43 am
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