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re: Burn it all down! County secession is key.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 8:44 am to ThuperThumpin
Posted on 9/13/23 at 8:44 am to ThuperThumpin
Young children, no.
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Are you suggesting that since my children are now adults, that I have less to lose for standing for what I believe?
That’s an incongruous argument if so sir. I have even more to lose as they were raised to stand against illegal, unethical and immoral actions and they would most likely be in the fray as well.
A life of comfort and selfishness is not what makes a free people. As Rousseu stated, “Man is born free and everywhere he is in chains”. The chains of a life of ease are often the heaviest.
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Are you suggesting that since my children are now adults, that I have less to lose for standing for what I believe?
That’s an incongruous argument if so sir. I have even more to lose as they were raised to stand against illegal, unethical and immoral actions and they would most likely be in the fray as well.
A life of comfort and selfishness is not what makes a free people. As Rousseu stated, “Man is born free and everywhere he is in chains”. The chains of a life of ease are often the heaviest.
This post was edited on 9/13/23 at 8:50 am
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Posted on 9/13/23 at 8:47 am to RCDfan1950
Thank you for your words and what you wrote here succinctly states where we’re at:
quote:
Albeit, the ship of Constitutional Principle and LIMITED and verifiable Government has sailed. And we now are on the cusp of the *Democratic* Tyranny that the Founders rightly feared and loathed
Posted on 9/13/23 at 8:50 am to DefensorFortis
I don't see as many sheriff departments and counties doing this as you think they do. When it comes down to losing their jobs and not being able to provide for there families unfortunately most will fall in line.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:08 am to LARancher1991
No sir, not in Louisiana.
However, it’s not what I just think, it’s what I know. There are HUNDREDS of Sheriffs across this country who are taking stands against tyranny.
Here’s a few articles from the powerful anti-liberty clowns who hate America re: the movement:
SPLC Tripe
ADL Tripe
The ‘Constitutional Sheriff’ Movement Is Gaining Power in the Mainstream
The
However, it’s not what I just think, it’s what I know. There are HUNDREDS of Sheriffs across this country who are taking stands against tyranny.
Here’s a few articles from the powerful anti-liberty clowns who hate America re: the movement:
SPLC Tripe
ADL Tripe
The ‘Constitutional Sheriff’ Movement Is Gaining Power in the Mainstream
The
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:15 am to DefensorFortis
Yea, but the county succeeds then what? What's the economy? Do the majority of the counties have the ability to be self sustaining? I'm actually asking because I really don't know the answer.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:26 am to DefensorFortis
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What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Are you suggesting that since my children are now adults, that I have less to lose for standing for what I believe?
Well the young children of the folks you seem to be wanting to recruit for your cause sure have more to lose. Your adult children can(presumably) fend for themselves if you are dead and decide for themselves if they want to be in this fight with you. I'd sooner leave the country than put the lives of my children at risk.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:26 am to LARancher1991
The real movement for counties to secede are in one of two camps:
1. Break away from current state and join another state, i.e., Oregon counties to Idaho and Maryland counties to West Virginia.
2. Break away from current state and create a new state, i.e., Northern California and Southern Illinois.
The counties aren’t proposing to secede in of themselves as little nation-states, that’s illogical and almost impossible.
The county Sheriffs - as a majority - across the United States are the Chief LEOs of that county and only accountable to those who elected them unlike Federal and State LEO command staff who are beholden to their masters for funds.
1. Break away from current state and join another state, i.e., Oregon counties to Idaho and Maryland counties to West Virginia.
2. Break away from current state and create a new state, i.e., Northern California and Southern Illinois.
The counties aren’t proposing to secede in of themselves as little nation-states, that’s illogical and almost impossible.
The county Sheriffs - as a majority - across the United States are the Chief LEOs of that county and only accountable to those who elected them unlike Federal and State LEO command staff who are beholden to their masters for funds.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:31 am to DefensorFortis
I would see 1 as being the most feasible option if the other states are willing to accept those counties.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:33 am to DefensorFortis
To long not reading all that
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:40 am to LARancher1991
The biggest roadblock to either option is we stand in a country more divided than since the War Between the States.
For example, the MAJORITY of counties in Oregon have voted to join Idaho and Idaho’s legislature has voted to move to accept them…however, the Communists/Fascists in Portland are holding up the vote to “allow” the counties to break away.
So what do they do then? To create a state requires Congressional action, etc. and in this divided country, unlikely.
As you’re in Louisiana, you haven’t experienced what the ranchers and farmers in Oregon from a state government that continues to crap on them, restrict their water rights, prevent forest management, etc.
So, such places have 2 choices…go with the status quo and be ruled by tyrants or be ready to stand for liberty and the costs that come with that stand.
For example, the MAJORITY of counties in Oregon have voted to join Idaho and Idaho’s legislature has voted to move to accept them…however, the Communists/Fascists in Portland are holding up the vote to “allow” the counties to break away.
So what do they do then? To create a state requires Congressional action, etc. and in this divided country, unlikely.
As you’re in Louisiana, you haven’t experienced what the ranchers and farmers in Oregon from a state government that continues to crap on them, restrict their water rights, prevent forest management, etc.
So, such places have 2 choices…go with the status quo and be ruled by tyrants or be ready to stand for liberty and the costs that come with that stand.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:57 am to DefensorFortis
As somebody that runs beef cattle and also has family in the dairy industry I've experienced a good bit of what they are going through. The main issue I see arising from any option would be trade between either the states that lost the counties and the ones that gained them. For example if the counties from Oregon join Idaho. Does the state of Oregon then shut down all commerce between them and Idaho?
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:59 am to LARancher1991
quote:Don't know about counties, BUT ALL STATES have GDPs that would rank all of them in terms of the existing European Union; quite survivable if the Nazis dont get too violent
Do the majority of the counties have the ability to be self sustaining? I'm actually asking because I really don't know the answer.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 10:11 am to LARancher1991
I don’t understand your question, but the counties leaving OR would now pay taxes to ID and ID would be obligated to support of new counties, nothing changes re: interstate agreements.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 10:15 am to DefensorFortis
That's my fault. I was thinking the counties in Oregon would be doing what you said northern California or southern Illinois would be doing.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 10:19 am to LARancher1991
I understand and no fault on you, totally opposite, shows you care and are trying to make an informed decision.
Thanks for ranching and putting meat on our tables.
Thanks for ranching and putting meat on our tables.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 10:21 am to DefensorFortis
This is the problem: Y'all think legislating from the center = RINo or uniparty. No, it means extremists aren't running the party. The country needs to be close to center to operate properly. This whole idea that you're a traitor or a RINo simply because you may not be lockstep on every issue is insane. Huckabee is a RINO now? WTF lol.
This kind of extremist approach leads to discussions about secession and so on. Case in point.
This kind of extremist approach leads to discussions about secession and so on. Case in point.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 10:39 am to InTheDetails
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Y'all think legislating from the center = RINo or uniparty. No, it means extremists aren't running the party
Amen
Posted on 9/13/23 at 10:58 am to DefensorFortis
quote:
For example, the MAJORITY of counties in Oregon have voted to join Idaho and Idaho’s legislature has voted to move to accept them…however, the Communists/Fascists in Portland are holding up the vote to “allow” the counties to break away.
So are you part of the American Redoubt movement?
Posted on 9/13/23 at 11:01 am to ThuperThumpin
1. Calling men women and enacting laws and regulations to magically change thousands of years of history and abrogate moral and religious teachings believed in across multiple cultures…thats the center?
2. Issuing executive fiats to prevent carrying of firearms protected by a silly thing called the Constitution…empowering an unelected branch of govt to make up regulations that contradict the laws enacted by Constitutional & Constitution…that’s the center?
3. Engaging our country in endless wars without seeking Congressional approval!
I could go on and on but we both know it won’t change your mind nor mine…maybe it will someone else who is seeking the truth.
2. Issuing executive fiats to prevent carrying of firearms protected by a silly thing called the Constitution…empowering an unelected branch of govt to make up regulations that contradict the laws enacted by Constitutional & Constitution…that’s the center?
3. Engaging our country in endless wars without seeking Congressional approval!
quote:Is that legislating from the center?
The Constitution grants Congress the sole power to declare war. Congress has declared war on 11 occasions, including its first declaration of war with Great Britain in 1812. Congress approved its last formal declaration of war during World War II.
I could go on and on but we both know it won’t change your mind nor mine…maybe it will someone else who is seeking the truth.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 11:19 am to ThuperThumpin
quote:
American Redoubt movement?
Negative, I’m part of the “I’m sick and tired of SOCIALISM, COMMUNISM, FASCISM, ATHEISM, TRANSGENDERISM, and all other ISMs” patriot movement.
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