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re: Bush Press Sec Ari Fleischer tries to "call out Iraq war Myths". Believe him or not?
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:20 am to crazy4lsu
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:20 am to crazy4lsu
quote:It helps that so many wanted to believe it was true.
Amazing. Incredible that Saddam Hussein could fool multiple intelligence officials and analysts by just saying "Yeah, I have WMDs."
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Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:20 am to jessieventura9
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Gov't doesn't create anything dogg.
Well, they create a frickton of dead bodies, debt, and opportunity costs. Other than that, I agree w/ you.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:23 am to crazy4lsu
There WERE WMD's all over the place and people got hurt by that shite. The New York Times did stories about the stuff and the soldiers that were injured finding caches.
And the GD coverup. A lot of it was still dangerous. Most of it was not mated to viable delivery systems but could have been used in IED's or in other jury rigged systems.Some of the binary warheads could have been used. He had it.Mustard. Sarin. Tons and tons of it.
He had stockpiles of yellowcake uranium too. You can Google where it was removed from the country. Why did Saddam make all the effort to stockpile it?
And the GD coverup. A lot of it was still dangerous. Most of it was not mated to viable delivery systems but could have been used in IED's or in other jury rigged systems.Some of the binary warheads could have been used. He had it.Mustard. Sarin. Tons and tons of it.
He had stockpiles of yellowcake uranium too. You can Google where it was removed from the country. Why did Saddam make all the effort to stockpile it?
This post was edited on 3/20/19 at 12:28 am
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:28 am to northshorebamaman
I'm not sure that the opposite is better, which is complete skepticism. As an aside, the Iraq War debate reflects a larger discussion about how we come to agree on facts as a society. Part of our issues with intellectual discourse is that we can know longer agree on who will designate the gatekeepers. Television was an excellent way to control the conversation, or present it a certain way. Social media has upended that control, and has shown that the elite class is as full of fools as any other class. I'd argue that another effect of the Iraq War is that it was the first time that many notable gatekeepers of the public discourse were wrong in a really public way. Confidence in them decreased in the public's eye, partly because no one faced any consequences for supporting the war, even socially.
This post was edited on 3/20/19 at 12:31 am
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:28 am to stuntman
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I think there are a whole lot of people out there like us. I wish the numbers would grow faster, though.
Distrust in government is a good thing for society.
Agreed.
When I was a little kid, I used to conflate anti-Gov folk with being Anti-USA, which is far from the truth....
The Gov has grown so large to where it actively works against the spirit of the original USA
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:32 am to 225bred
LINKSick to death of you WMD deniers. They were there.
quote:Naw....nothing to see here
In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.
This post was edited on 3/20/19 at 12:33 am
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:33 am to stuntman
oh wow! let's reward them by supporting their quest to raise taxes so they can have more to spend on worthless endeavors that benefits no one but themselves.
These Congress people don't produce anything, they just flap their lips and tell you how wonderful they are.
frick 'em, vote for one who supports zero taxes. It only means more in your pocket and less in theirs. Seriously, think about it, what have they ever done for you?
These Congress people don't produce anything, they just flap their lips and tell you how wonderful they are.
frick 'em, vote for one who supports zero taxes. It only means more in your pocket and less in theirs. Seriously, think about it, what have they ever done for you?
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:34 am to antibarner
A relevant quote from your own link.
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The United States had gone to war declaring it must destroy an active weapons of mass destruction program. Instead, American troops gradually found and ultimately suffered from the remnants of long-abandoned programs, built in close collaboration with the West.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:38 am to crazy4lsu
quote:I'm not sure I agree here. It seems like history is pretty rife with gatekeepers getting it wrong. The Cold War and Vietnam come to mind.
I'd argue that another effect of the Iraq War is that it was the first time that many notable gatekeepers of the public discourse were wrong.
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Confidence in them decreased in the public's eye, partly because no one faced any consequences for supporting the war, even socially.
True but there wasn't much motivation to hold anyones feet to the fire because so many people were vocal supporters. That would require holding their own feet to the fire to a certain extent.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:40 am to jessieventura9
Are you under the impression that I like government or politicians?
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:41 am to crazy4lsu
I never said he was actively producing them. But he had stockpiles and they were still dangerous. Want proof? Look no further than our injured servicemen.
We had stockpiles for a time did we not? Even after we had ceased production?
He also had the means, the knowhow and the will to spool up production in a hurry, of biological and chem agents at any time. And you don't gather tons of Yellowcake to fill sandboxes.
We had stockpiles for a time did we not? Even after we had ceased production?
He also had the means, the knowhow and the will to spool up production in a hurry, of biological and chem agents at any time. And you don't gather tons of Yellowcake to fill sandboxes.
This post was edited on 3/20/19 at 12:45 am
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:43 am to northshorebamaman
I'd argue that the pace of social media has made that fall from grace, so to speak, quicker than before. It might not be, as my perspective might be skewed (or rather is skewed) by the fact I came of age during the Iraq War and its fallout.
I'd be happy with Bolton not getting another job in an administration that is supposedly non-interventionist. Also if Max Boot would stop writing.
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That would require holding their own feet to the fire to a certain extent.
I'd be happy with Bolton not getting another job in an administration that is supposedly non-interventionist. Also if Max Boot would stop writing.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:44 am to crazy4lsu
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I'd be happy with Bolton not getting another job in an administration that is supposedly non-interventionist.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:44 am to antibarner
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he had stockpiles and they were still dangerous.
Having stockpiles and actively producing WMD's is a massive difference.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:46 am to crazy4lsu
Laughing, what's the difference? I've got the weapons. I can use them. If I can make more or not who cares?
HE HAD WMD's. Period. It is a lie to say he did not.
HE HAD WMD's. Period. It is a lie to say he did not.
This post was edited on 3/20/19 at 12:47 am
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:48 am to northshorebamaman
C'mon, don't be a Beto pussy. Talk your mind. Maybe you are pansy arse but you have a right to be what you are. What you don't have a right to do is to make me pay for your own shiate.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:49 am to jessieventura9
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C'mon, don't be a Beto pussy. Talk your mind. Maybe you are pansy arse but you have a right to be what you are. What you don't have a right to do is to make me pay for your own shiate.
Are you just typing random replies?Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:50 am to antibarner
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Sick to death of you WMD deniers. They were there.
Look, one NYT article is a fart in the wind.
No matter your ideology or political affiliation, the very sad fact is this: the media and our tumor-like Federal government has grown so corrosive and corrupt, that as average joe and janes, we are better off doubting and critiquing their every move.
Citizens are so hungry for a leader that is anti-media, anti-establishment, and (for better or worse) is overwhelmingly for the "people" and "populist".
Trump is that man.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:50 am to antibarner
What the frick are you going to do?
Posted on 3/20/19 at 12:53 am to jessieventura9
Did someone make a bot solely for the PB? This is hilarious.
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