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re: Cambridge: Anglo-Saxons aren’t real
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:08 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:08 am to RogerTheShrubber
I mean, I don't mind being called names. I do need to branch out though. My fiancée always says 'come here my bitch' to our dog, which I've used now as an insult too many times.
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Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:13 am to AggieHank86
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You DO have the ability. You should use it and leave the insults in the buffer ... unless someone insults you first, anyway. Given the crowd, it is a good bet that they will fire the first shot and give you the opportunity anyway
The amount of substantive discussion here is almost nil. Even really milquetoast opinions are greeted with a rancor that I don't see reflected in real life. There are few places where I see real policy level discussions anymore. They do occur on the internet, but they've seemingly moved to substack , or rather, guarded by paywalls, which I think is a really bad development.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:16 am to crazy4lsu
quote:I try. Join me. Maybe we can generate a critical mass.
The amount of substantive discussion here is almost nil
I think that this forum DOES have people that want to exchange ideas and discuss the issues of the day.
The boorish assholes are just more numerous and louder.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:43 am to AggieHank86
It's just the zeitgeist. The feedback loop between disaffection and outrage is really hard to break. Take the original article for example. It quotes directly from the Cambridge department saying:
That's a remarkably benign statement. Of course ethnic identities are constructed, because ultimately they are instruments of politics. What were the political conditions that made a union of Anglo-Saxon identities particularly useful? There are several lines of argument here. First, you can look at the political conditions of Alfred the Great's reign in the 9th century. He primarily had to deal with Danish invaders and occupiers and he needed a way of coalescing support for the attempted unification of Saxon kingdoms with Angle kingdoms such as Mercia. The term 'Angelcynn' made it into administrative documents and lots of work was done by Alfred to create an identity that was not subject to Danish domination of Northern England. The term also meant to include non-Saxons and non-Angles, of which there was still a large population, because it required a few things, such as being Christian and speaking some dialect of English. But those efforts didn't mean that everyone regarded themselves as Anglo-Saxon. For the average person in 9th century Britain, you were already effectively subject to different population subsets, and the creation of an identity in opposition to Danish identity served only overt political purposes. Later efforts to fight the Danes were based on the idea that Alfred's descendants were kings of everyone in the British isles, as their technical titles showed, which included references to Anglo-Saxons, Northumbrians, Pagans and Britons.
The learning point here should be that identities are always subject to geopolitical considerations. It's always in reference to some sort of distinct opposition that any group of people can find common ground, which sometimes is enough for us to call it an ethnic identity, although the degree to which that is actually useful is another question, as well as defining a distinct point where suddenly the inhabitants of an area become that ethnicity.
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“In general, ASNC teaching seeks to dismantle the basis of myths of nationalism - that there ever was a ‘British’, ‘English’, ‘Scottish’, ‘Welsh’ or ‘Irish’ people with a coherent and ancient ethnic identity - by showing students just how constructed and contingent these identities are and always have been.”
That's a remarkably benign statement. Of course ethnic identities are constructed, because ultimately they are instruments of politics. What were the political conditions that made a union of Anglo-Saxon identities particularly useful? There are several lines of argument here. First, you can look at the political conditions of Alfred the Great's reign in the 9th century. He primarily had to deal with Danish invaders and occupiers and he needed a way of coalescing support for the attempted unification of Saxon kingdoms with Angle kingdoms such as Mercia. The term 'Angelcynn' made it into administrative documents and lots of work was done by Alfred to create an identity that was not subject to Danish domination of Northern England. The term also meant to include non-Saxons and non-Angles, of which there was still a large population, because it required a few things, such as being Christian and speaking some dialect of English. But those efforts didn't mean that everyone regarded themselves as Anglo-Saxon. For the average person in 9th century Britain, you were already effectively subject to different population subsets, and the creation of an identity in opposition to Danish identity served only overt political purposes. Later efforts to fight the Danes were based on the idea that Alfred's descendants were kings of everyone in the British isles, as their technical titles showed, which included references to Anglo-Saxons, Northumbrians, Pagans and Britons.
The learning point here should be that identities are always subject to geopolitical considerations. It's always in reference to some sort of distinct opposition that any group of people can find common ground, which sometimes is enough for us to call it an ethnic identity, although the degree to which that is actually useful is another question, as well as defining a distinct point where suddenly the inhabitants of an area become that ethnicity.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:48 am to crazy4lsu
good post
Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:06 am to pankReb
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This post was edited on 6/5/23 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:08 am to crazy4lsu
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I mean, I don't mind being called names. I
Doesn't bother me in the least.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:09 am to AggieHank86
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Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:14 am to RazorbackLaw501
quote:apparently you did not sober up and then clean up your posts. Maybe the mods did it for you.
RazorbackLaw501
Might give that some thought
Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:19 am to crazy4lsu
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Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:19 am to AggieHank86
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Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:23 am to RazorbackLaw501
quote:I could watch you post all day. The witty repartee is mesmerizing.
Shut up, clown.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:24 am to RazorbackLaw501
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What if it's legitimate outrage and disaffection?
Only select groups are allowed this.
You have to be minority or gay.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:24 am to AggieHank86
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This post was edited on 6/5/23 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:26 am to RogerTheShrubber
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:27 am to AggieHank86
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Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:28 am to RazorbackLaw501
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Why do you suppose elites in Western countries would do that?
$$$$ and preferential govt treatment in the new technocratic economy.
There are moves behind the scenes to monetize it.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
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This post was edited on 6/5/23 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:34 am to RazorbackLaw501
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Thank you.
So, if this is true, it seems pretty damn reasonable that the "natives" (don't forget, if you are of European background, you can't be one of those!) are "disaffected" with those who are shipping the cheaper "assets" in.
Our resident lawyers and doctors will cry, but Soros open society is behind a lot of this.
Their desire is to create an environment where all is normal and has to be legally accepted.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:37 am to RazorbackLaw501
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What if it's legitimate outrage and disaffection?
It usually isn't.
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Yeah, and what are those for the group in question?
The same geopolitical considerations that mediated every human interaction?
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Is Laurence Fishburne black?
Yeah. Why?
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Also, If you drop a man from the Sudan in Dublin, what is he?
A Sudanese person living in Dublin. Get to your point.
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