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re: Company I work for fired engineers for not getting the vaccine
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:10 pm to wackatimesthree
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:10 pm to wackatimesthree
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Since when can companies mandate any medicine on their employees, much less experimental vaccines with unknown consequences? Should be illegal and those 5 former employees should sue the shite outta the company.
Hospitals have been requiring flu vaccines for employees since the 80s that I am aware of, although it could have been longer.
Matter of fact, in eight states it's a state law that they have to.
I tired to tell y'all in the other tribal tread about this that this is nothing new. And no, you wouldn't win a lawsuit.
The difference is that was a condition of employment at the time the person was hired and was also probably in the employee handbook. The difference here is these were existing employees and it was NOT a condition of employment.
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:27 pm to CDawson
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medical policies of a company?
Of which it should have none according to law
Posted on 6/21/21 at 4:14 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:Negative!
Because it's exactly the same thing
It isn't remotely the same thing.
If the company required an employee (vaccinated or not) to report to work sick and febrile, that would be the "same thing".
Whereas vaccinated employees are less likely to contract and transmit CV19, contraction/transmission is still possible.
Are you proposing the company be liable in that instance? Do you extend such a proposal to influenza?
quote:Is it fair to terminate a healthy individual because at some juncture they might get sick?
would be fair?
In terms of supposed "customer demand", should an employer terminate all female employees because a customer demands an all male workforce? Would that be fair? If an employer hires employees who are fully rehabilitated from their criminal past, should they be terminated based on customer demands? How about terminating employees based on religion or political persuasion? Fair?
In fact each of those instances would be at least as fair as termination of a CV19 recovered employee who is unvaccinated.
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 6/21/21 at 5:45 pm to GetmorewithLes
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My daughter currently works in surgery in one of the largest hospitals in the country and she is not required to vax. She also told me many of the physicians she works with are not vax’d
That's a case study of two now.
That proves it.
No hospital requires employees to have a flu vaccination.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 5:46 pm to UAinSOUTHAL
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The difference is that was a condition of employment at the time the person was hired and was also probably in the employee handbook. The difference here is these were existing employees and it was NOT a condition of employment.
But it is now.
You mentioned the employee handbook. I'm not aware of any employee handbook in existence that doesn't have a clause in there somewhere that says terms are subject to change at any time.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 5:58 pm to NC_Tigah
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Negative!
It isn't remotely the same thing.
It's exactly the same thing. Because if the company doesn't require them and someone does get sick and dies or suffers significant harm, the company might absolutely be sued for not doing everything the could to provide a safe working environment.
You guys want the company to be liable on that side but the employees to have no responsibility on the other. Basically you want the company to be liable either way. Require them, be responsible for vaccination damages. Don't and be responsible for not providing safe work environment.
Heads I win, tails you lose.
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Are you proposing the company be liable in that instance? Do you extend such a proposal to influenza?
I'm proposing no liability in either case. I'm just trying to show that this idea that companies hwo require vaccines should be financially liable for vaccination injuries is no different than holding employees who refuse vaccines liable for people who get COVID.
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Is it fair to terminate a healthy individual because at some juncture they might get sick?
That wouldn't be why they got fired. They wouldn't actually get fired. They would refuse to meet the terms of employment and would therefore choose to be ineligible for employment.
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If the company required an employee (vaccinated or not) to report to work sick and febrile, that would be the "same thing".
No, the appropriate analogy in that case would be if an employee had identifiable medical reasons for why he or she would be at significantly greater risk of having a negative vaccine reaction than others.
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In terms of supposed "customer demand", should an employer terminate all female employees because a customer demands an all male workforce? Would that be fair? If an employer hires employees who are fully rehabilitated from their criminal past, should they be terminated based on customer demands? How about terminating employees based on religion or political persuasion? Fair?
This is a bad analogy for a couple of reasons. First, getting a vaccine or not is a choice. Being male or female is an immutable characteristic. Secondly, i should never have used the word "fair," because it implied that I care what's fair. Life's not fair. IMO private employers should be able to disqualify employees from employment for pretty much whatever reason they want. No people whose last names start with a B? Fine. Race? Sure. Sex? Of course. I've never really had anybody give me a good argument for why I wouldn't have the right to make those decisions.
We have freedom of association in this country, or we are supposed to, anyway.
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 6/21/21 at 6:10 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:No!
You guys want the company to be liable on that side but the employees
I want the company to frick off with regard to my private life as long as I abide by my employment contract.
quote:Negative.
Basically you want the company to be liable either way.
I want to give to Rome what is Rome's and the rest is my choice.
quote:Produce the contract that predicted requisite vaccination, and we can have that discussion.
Is it fair to terminate a healthy individual because at some juncture they might get sick?
That wouldn't be why they got fired.
quote:So is Russian roulette. Are we clear?
First, getting a vaccine or not is a choice
quote:Being male or female is a choice! What rock have you been under the last 4 years?
Being male or female is an immutable characteristic
Posted on 6/21/21 at 6:18 pm to NC_Tigah
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Produce the contract that predicted requisite vaccination, and we can have that discussion.
LOL. You guys are basing your entire argument on whether a contract or handbook predicted COVID.
Again, I'm not aware of any handbook ever in the history of employee handbooks that doesn't have a clause in it that says the terms of this or that or the other is subject to change without notice. People like you are why those clauses are in there...because you think it matters somehow whether the company anticipated every change they were going to need to make and if they didn't, you think there are some rules somewhere that say they can't. But there aren't any rules like that. Not in my state, anyway. It's an at-will state.
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So is Russian roulette. Are we clear?
The INDISPUTABLE MATHEMATICAL FACT is that you are at far more risk of contracting and having a problem with COVID than the vaccine. Which means that narrative doesn't work. Are we clear?
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Being male or female is a choice! What rock have you been under the last 4 years?
Yeah, I don't buy that narrative either.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 6:32 pm to Cuz413
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What if you've already had the virus? Do they not count natural recovery as being equal to vaccine?
I know my company doesn't count recovery.
This is my question, but my emails with attached documentation showing that I had Covid and still have antibodies present have so far been ignored.
If the point of the vaccine is to develop antibodies/Tcells, why am I any different than someone who got the vaccination?
Posted on 6/21/21 at 6:54 pm to pickle311
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There's no logical reason for any company to require people to be vaccinated outside of politics. Anyone with half a brain can look at the data and see it. I'm really sick of all this mess.
This.
Had my physical last week, doc asked how I was doing, said fine. Did the ekg and blood work. LDL is little high but, he didn't say shite bout the jab.
I will not be taking it and, will not require any associates. Venders and costumers be damned.
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 6/21/21 at 7:48 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:Wacka, you should have just left it as "I'm not aware." Seriously. What are you? An assistant what?
Again, I'm not aware of any handbook ever in the history of employee handbooks that doesn't have a clause in it that says the terms of this or that
quote:Do you have any idea to whom you are quoting your FACT about virology?
FACT is that you are at far more risk of contracting and having a problem with COVID than the vaccine.
What an idiot.
.... FACT ....
quote:Talk to your boss's boss about not buying into that "narrative"
Yeah, I don't buy that narrative either
Posted on 6/21/21 at 8:41 pm to pickle311
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:13 pm to Rhino5
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Over 300 cases of heart issue after Covid vaccination reported in young people, CDC says
That's a whole lot considering that 177,088,290 Americans have been vaccinated.
It's almost .00017%.
They also report that the symptoms are "mild."
Everyone run for the hills!
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:18 pm to wackatimesthree
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"Approved for Emergency use" is a valid official classification for a drug. Plus, the vaccines will be approved, probably by the time your case goes to court.
If that was the case than the DoD would have mandated it already. Except they haven't and the guidance I've seen from is that they won't until it moves beyond the EUA. IMO you don't know shite.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:24 pm to NC_Tigah
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Do you have any idea to whom you are quoting your FACT about virology?
I know it's someone with no reading comprehension.
I didn't quote any fact about virology.
I just know that 601,730 > 3,722.
That's all anyone has to know.
And that COVID vaccine number came from the most paranoid source I could find.
Let's say it's under-reported by a factor of 10. COVID's still a much bigger threat.
100? Nope, still not even close.
It would have to be under-reported by a factor of 161 before they were even equal threats.
If you think that's even possible, much less likely, there's certainly an idiot around here, but it's not me.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:25 pm to NC_Tigah
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Talk to your boss's boss
I own my own business, so I don't know who that would be.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:40 pm to pickle311
We vaccinated a 20 something with the J&J vaccine today. Watched him have seizures for 20 minutes. No history of anything prior. Looked like a typical 20 something dude. Between seizures, he said he had no weird medical history or problems getting vaccines.
I worked a 40 hr straight fri-weekend-mon shift, so once ems came I left. My partner said he left with ems and appeared to be OK minus the shite that just happened.
I vaccinated a person who said they would be fired if they did not get the shot. Told them its an experimental vaccine and they should not do it unless they didn't care. Person was not happy about it, but got it to work. Fuk this job. I hate stabbing people that don't want it, but who want to work more than the shite stains that want to sit at home and collect xidencoin.
I worked a 40 hr straight fri-weekend-mon shift, so once ems came I left. My partner said he left with ems and appeared to be OK minus the shite that just happened.
I vaccinated a person who said they would be fired if they did not get the shot. Told them its an experimental vaccine and they should not do it unless they didn't care. Person was not happy about it, but got it to work. Fuk this job. I hate stabbing people that don't want it, but who want to work more than the shite stains that want to sit at home and collect xidencoin.
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