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re: Conservatives: what's your beef with libertarianism?

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Posted by Gptxr
Member since Jul 2018
60 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:16 pm to
Republican - gawd in politics.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:20 pm to


I fricking love that you posted this...

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Cool story, but first we have to try educating people like you that just because CNN calls someone a conservative, doesn’t mean they are one.


...followed by this...

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So you lumped yourself in with libertarians by way of skirmishing with me in both of these threads


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Gotcha.


No. You really don't.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32166 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:22 pm to
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csn you and Josh show what you believe Libertarianism to be?


I believe someone is justified in calling themselves a libertarian if they adhere to the Non-Aggression Principle.
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:30 pm to
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My position is the application of logic and reason to knowledge of individual issues. For specific positions, I'd need specific issues.


As if every side in politics doesn't claim the mantle of logic and reason. Libertarians are also afraid of taking defined positions or being labeled. I have had many of these types of discussions with a hardcore libertarian family member.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56608 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:31 pm to
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Libertarians are also afraid of taking defined positions or being labeled.


That is precisely what I like the most.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:31 pm to
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As if every side in politics doesn't claim the mantle of logic and reason.


The beauty of it is that I don't have a "side."
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32166 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:41 pm to
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Libertarians are also afraid of taking defined positions or being labeled.


I label myself a libertarian and take defined positions on practically every conceivable issue. The frick are you talking about?
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:50 pm to
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The beauty of it is that I don't have a "side."



Lol... You do, because everyone must choose which end of the continuum to be on ranging from hardcore conservative/free market to socialism/communism.

When you vote for a candidate you are picking someone that will take sides. To not vote for any candidates is to remove yourself out of the political process altogether and render your philosophy impotent.

If you support Ron Paul then you are on the R side, whether you like the other parts that come with it or not. Ultimately we are all voting for more state control (socialism) or less with every election. And sometimes some repubs may have certain policies that lean towards more state control, but on the whole they are opposed to socialism.
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:52 pm to
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The frick are you talking about? ?


Just look at the two posts above you that validate my point. :)
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:53 pm to
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You do, because everyone must choose which end of the continuum to be on ranging from hardcore conservative/free market to socialism/communism.


Wrong. Your inability to consider multiple positions doesn't apply to everyone.

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If you support Ron Paul then you are on the R side, whether you like the other parts that come with it or not. 




That isn't what that means.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:54 pm to
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Just look at the two posts above you that validate my point. :)


No, they don't. As I've said many times, I'm not a libertarian.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:55 pm to
Hank wemt to retrieve his daughters from a birthday party. As entertaining as I find y’all, I find my children more so.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:56 pm to
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my children


I take back what I said earlier.
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:58 pm to
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That isn't what that means.


The juvenile condescension that comes from many libertarians is also a staple.

Do you vote, and if so what party do you typically vote for? If your answer is no, then your political philosophy is mute and pointless.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32166 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:58 pm to
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As entertaining as I find y’all, I find my children more so.


bullshite. I'm delightful
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32166 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:59 pm to
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If your answer is no, then your political philosophy is mute and pointless.


Moot. It's moot. Bah.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:59 pm to
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Do you vote, and if so what party do you typically vote for? If your answer is no, then your political philosophy is mute and pointless.


Well I'm pretty sure the Soviets and Chinese communists didn't vote their way to power.
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 10:01 pm to
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Moot. It's moot. Bah.


Mute as in it's silent... In taking no sides, you don't exist politically.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
108498 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 10:02 pm to
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AggieHank86


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my children


May God help them

Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 8/5/18 at 10:02 pm to
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Well I'm pretty sure the Soviets and Chinese communists didn't vote their way to power.


You don't think their revolutions occurred because a majority of the people decided to overthrow the government? Also what about Venezuela?
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