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Posted on 4/24/25 at 6:50 pm to Richleau
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You seem to have your hooks into particular liturgical worship
It's literally the OP...
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Where do you draw the line? From church founded acceptable practice? From history?
Yes. We've worshipped the same way for 2000 years.
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From history? Same as Pharisees, same as the Romans then.
This "insult" means nothing coming from someone that believes he is the sole interpreter of scripture and enforcer of ecumenical dogma.
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When you interject hierarchy upon Jesus and his teachings, you are lost
It's the opposite, actually. Jesus gave us hierarchy.
EDIT: hit send too soon
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 4/24/25 at 6:50 pm to Richleau
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Do you need a priest’s interdiction to be saved?
Jesus says that if we don't eat his flesh, which is the Sacrificed Body of the Lamb of God that "we have no life" in us. We Catholics believe that The Eucharist provides that Sacrificial food. No Protestant denomination accepts the doctrine of the Real Presence.
You do need a Priest in order to take The Eucharist, and without The Eucharist, Jesus said that you "have no life" in you.
Did Jesus say that you need a Priest to be Saved? We believe so, but, you are free to believe otherwise, brother.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 6:51 pm to Richleau
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That being said, we all believe Jesus died on the Christ to offer the perfect sacrifice and to pave our ability to be one with God in the afterlife. So that’s something we can all agree on.
That depends. Do you believe that the Father punished Jesus on the cross and damned Him for our sins?
Posted on 4/24/25 at 6:53 pm to Knartfocker
You’re getting to deep for their superficial beliefs brother. But you’re on the target.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 6:53 pm to Richleau
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Because believe it or not, there is absolute truth.
And by what normative authority do you know what this absolute truth is?
Posted on 4/24/25 at 6:54 pm to Knartfocker
Jesus fulfilled the prophecy in the Old Testament, in particular Isaiah.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 6:54 pm to RescueT
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You’re getting to deep for their superficial beliefs brother. But you’re on the target.
Shhhhhhhh. I want to hear them say it
Posted on 4/24/25 at 6:57 pm to cssamerican
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it stands to reason they’d be clear enough for the average person to grasp without needing an expert to translate every line
I think it's clear that Protestants, Catholics, Orthodox, Jews and Muslims all rely heavily on a teaching hierarchy to guide us into the meaning of Scripture. The Jews have the Rabbi, which means "teacher". The Protestants have Scofield, and other such learned men of the cloth who tell them what the Bible says. The Catholic Church's clergy has worked very hard to discern Scripture since the beginning.
The reason why we have so many Protestant sects is because Protestantism itself teaches that a man can sit down and guided by the Holy Spirit, discern the Truth in Scripture. That sounds good but if it were entirely true, why does the Protestant side of Christianity have hundreds of sects, denominations and Truths?
Bottom line is my point that all of our Religions do rely on a Teaching authority or a repository of learned scholars. We aren't all out there just winging it.
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 4/24/25 at 7:39 pm to Richleau
nope cracker the klan hated catholics just like you do white trash, so did the john birch society.....segregation now! segregation tomorrow, segregation 4 eva!
Posted on 4/24/25 at 8:25 pm to Champagne
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That sounds good but if it were entirely true, why does the Protestant side of Christianity have hundreds of sects, denominations and Truths?
Lets all pretend the Catholics didnt have tons of councils over the years that resulted in people holding a different opinion being excommunicated, tortured, or even killed. DUE THEIR SERVICE TO THEIR CREATOR. Let that sink in for a minute. And before you lie about it, Galileo was sentenced to house arrest for his remaining life, due to the heresy of teaching about heliocentrism. Which they were 100% wrong about. And yet claimed they had divine guidance. They lied. Theyve lied to you about a lot of things
At least Protestants were allowed to live freely after they saw something in scripture that wanted addressed
Posted on 4/24/25 at 8:45 pm to TIGA 80
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Now for all those Bible Christians.
Is that supposed to be an insult? Are you a Christian?
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Not all that Jesus taught could be written down. Therefore the apostles handed down the traditions that jesus taught them, verbally and by the practice of the faith
Where does it say that? (For us ‘Bible Christians’)
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John 21:25 ? Now, there are many other things that Jesus did. If they were all written down one by one, I suppose that the whole world could not hold the books that would be written.
Do you not see a leap from ‘did’ to ‘taught’?
Also, do you not see how this “secret knowledge” thing is also the foundation of Gnosticism- which the Bible specifically condemns?
That said, I’m not the arbiter of truth. I’m (prayerfully) the recipient of abundant grace and mercy from the Triune God. Of course I recognize that we didn’t have the Bible, in its entirety, for many years (but I believe we did have the basic gospel written very early). And in that time, (I think) God relied upon His well trained and completely devoted Apostles to bridge the gap.
What I have a hard time with, is the idea that He would put most of what I need to know in a Book that is now widely available (thanks!)- but kept just a few really really important things out- and entrusted those things to mortal men. No disrespect intended- just reminding all, that we all agree that only what is in scripture is inspired by God. There are no additional teachings of Christ, other than what is in the Bible. Can you show me where someone says anything that is recognized as Holy Spirit-inspired outside of what is recorded in scripture?
ETA: 1 Peter 5:1
So I (Peter) exhort the elders among you, as a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, as well as a partaker in the glory that is going to be revealed:
1 Peter, believed by the early church fathers and biblical scholars to be written around 60-65 AD, by Peter, in Rome, 30 years after the events recorded in Matthew 16:18. Why does he (Peter) refer to himself as a “fellow elder” instead of “The Pope”? For that matter, can you show me a single instance, in scripture, where Peter’s “primacy” is exercised or evidenced?
This post was edited on 4/27/25 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 4/24/25 at 9:06 pm to Richleau
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So in your estimation no Catholic has been in the clan? You know that’s not the case. While rare, it did occur. And the clan was a small segment of misguided folks versus a top down hierarchy bent on power and mysticism. Again, the veil was destroyed after Jesus’ death. The Catholic Church for centuries harshly and currently continuely choose to create a divide between men and God.
You keep confusing me for someone who cares about the catholic church.
As an aside I belong to an organization that was started to oppose the Klan in 1922, but of course I'm not catholic.
Oh and Clan? You're too stupid to talk to.
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 4/24/25 at 9:08 pm to RescueT
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I think the hang up for Protestants is this. Salvation. Y’all never get past initial salvation. There’s no substance. It’s continual milk. So concerts and feel good talks is what drives the church. There is no true worship. Eucharist is put in plastic and no reverence given. No reverence for any of the true sacraments. Just coffee bars, snacks, smoke shows and Ted talks.
Don't forget the worship team.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 9:12 pm to 62zip
Oh yeah most important. Brings out the feels. Smoke. Lights.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 9:12 pm to 62zip
Knights of Columbus, we get it. The clan doesn’t exist anymore boomer. Much like how Catholics can actually read the Bible. Things change. The KKK are reprehensible.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 9:13 pm to RescueT
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The same Church that was established by Jesus Christ on earth is who. The same early church fathers that did exactly what I am doing now. Read the early church fathers. I don’t hate Protestants. Just pray you come into full communion with the Church. I believe you can be saved outside of our church. The Church doesn’t save, Jesus does.
Rather than learn from those who walked with the Lord they prefer to listen to the interpretations of Pastor Tim and then sip on some Welch's.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 9:17 pm to Richleau
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A Catholic labeling a Christian a heretic? Some things never change
So now you're saying Catholics aren't Christians? Again, too stupid to talk to.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 9:24 pm to Richleau
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Knights of Columbus, we get it. The clan doesn’t exist anymore boomer. Much like how Catholics can actually read the Bible. Things change. The KKK are reprehensible.
WTF are you talking about clown? What does the Knights of Columbus have to do with anything? They date to 1882. I couldn't be in K of C if I wanted to, I'm not catholic you no reading comprehension moron..
Oh and wtf are you calling boomer? What are you, 12?
You're right the klan is reprehensible and it's full of protestants, just saying.
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:25 pm to 62zip
There’s something wrong with you old man.
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