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Posted on 8/26/25 at 6:59 pm to
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 6:59 pm to
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He just dared to ask "do you suppose there is something the Israeli government may have done to add fuel to the fire?"


So Israel has a charter that states up front their entire purpose is to kill every Palestinian they can?

So Israel takes all their income (taxes and foreign aid) and instead of trying to make the lives of their people better they create a maze of tunnels and invest in missiles & drones.

Israel out of no where shoots missles indiscriminately without provocation into Gaza or the West Bank?

Oh yeah, Israel launched a surprise attack and targeted civilians early in a Sunday morning of a holiday weekend. Then celebrated it as they dragged dead bodies and hostages back during said surprise attack.

Come on guys, I would 100% oppose Israel if they did what Hamas/the Gazan Palestinian community did. When you are supporting people that danced in the streets when 9/11 occurred you are on the wrong side of the issue.
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 6:59 pm to
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I can’t believe this is going on for 12 pages when I thought it’d get 12 posts tops.




It's because of the amount of reach Joe Rogan has. Just him talking about this topic on his show is a defeat for them.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 6:59 pm to
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That was not a war.


Well tell Trump that who called it the 12 Day War.

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Smith wanted Trump impeached. Hes an idiot. Anyone defending him in this regard is an idiot


Or you blindly blow Trump and will support literally anything he does.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33774 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 7:05 pm to
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Well tell Trump that who called it the 12 Day War.

ahem
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On the assumption that everything works as it should, which it will, I would like to congratulate both Countries, Israel and Iran, on having the Stamina, Courage, and Intelligence to end, what should be called, 'THE 12 DAY WAR'

Of which Trump did not include the US as being a part of.

I'll just leave this right here
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Smith wanted Trump impeached. Hes an idiot. Anyone defending him in this regard is an idiot
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
20074 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 7:05 pm to
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Or you blindly blow Smith and will support literally idiotic statement he makes.


Two can play that game……Dave Smith is a moron and until he admits his immature stupid comments about Iran were 100% wrong he will continue to being a loud mouth idiot with a pool of ignorant people following him.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 7:06 pm to
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Dave Smith is a moron and until he admits his immature stupid comments about Iran were 100% wrong he will continue to being a loud mouth idiot with a pool of ignorant people following him.


He said he was happy he was wrong, but you’re in a cult who won’t tolerate anyone questioning the Dear Leader.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 7:24 pm to
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He said he was happy he was wrong, but you’re in a cult who won’t tolerate anyone questioning the Dear Leader.


Nope and you are an idiot making that statement. I don’t believe Operation Warp Speed was a good thing and I definitely don’t support 600K CCP college visas. Is he night and day better than any progressive piece of shite, yes! Is Dave Smiths stupid arse comments (which he makes frequently since he acts like a toddler over 50% of the time) 1000% wrong?
Posted by RollTideATL
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 7:26 pm to
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Libertarian Thomas Massis was the single vote that got Bidens budget moved out of committee, and then attempted to recruit people to kill Trumps budget


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Trumps bill is a gigantic omnibus bill with god knows what pork is in it. frick these large arse bills… they should all be killed regardless of who’s putting them on the floor.
This post was edited on 8/26/25 at 7:30 pm
Posted by thenza
Member since Sep 2013
1525 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 7:28 pm to
I have accepted that people live in different realities. One of my best friends, and one of the most charitable and honest people I’ve ever known, is a staunch democrat who believes Trump wants to usher in the 4th Reich. It doesn’t bug me. She’s a blast to be around and the best cook I know.

I get that if your main exposure to Dave Smith is from Piers Morgan clips that you would consider him a “bro without substance.” Entertaining as it may be at times, that show is the Jerry Springer of political punditry.

But to make the claim that Douglas Murray won that debate…

It’s just blind ‘n dumb. Dumberer than dumb.

I still like Douglas Murray, but my esteem of him went down quite a bit. I’ve followed him for a decade and viewed him as a truth-teller. What he did that day was not the truth. It was the same bullshite Madking is doing in this thread. All he had was “Nuh uh. You’re stupid.”

It comes down to a simple principle. Murray is from the Old World and Smith is an American.
What I mean by that is that Murray thinks of people as civilized or savages. He does see class. (And he isn’t totally wrong) Smith sees everyone as equal. (And he isn’t totally wrong) Murray tried to hide that distinction by calling Smith a useful idiot and attacking Scott Horton and Joe Rogan. It was an obfuscation because he actually believes that Israel is the better society and deserves to live over the Palestinians. That causes him to be dishonest about what they are actually doing. Which is a genocide. It’s the “for the greater good” argument. And he is right in that Israel is the better society. I think Smith agrees with that. He just doesn’t believe that gives Israel the right to kill ‘em all.

I have a huge amount of respect for Dave Smith for his unwavering consistency and pursuit of honest discussion. Forget his politics. Tell me one lie he’s told or cheap political grift he’s ever done.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
20074 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 7:49 pm to
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Tell me one lie he’s told or cheap political grift he’s ever done.


Ask and ye shall receive:

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Donald Trump telling [Iran] to come back to the negotiating table, man, was a joke. I mean, what an impotent leader!" Smith declared. "It's like sitting after Pearl Harbor and telling FDR, 'Now is the time to go negotiate with the Japanese.'"


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Listen man, I supported him this last year. I apologize for doing so. It was a bad calculation. At the time, it seemed like the right one. But, he should be impeached and removed for this one," Smith said, eliciting surprised reactions from the hosts.


So basically he stabbed the President in the back and sided with the World’s leading nation state supporter of terrorism! And he is brilliant?

Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 7:54 pm to
Dave has covered that over and over. Trump was an arsonist who put out his own fire on Iran after tearing up JCPOA.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
20074 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:00 pm to
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Dave has covered that over and over. Trump was an arsonist who put out his own fire on Iran after tearing up JCPOA.


So Trump decided that Iran should start a nuclear program? Wait did he also unfreeze funds that had been held for decades and returned it to them so they could sponsor even more terrorism? Maybe he negotiated and signed the silly “agreement” where they promised not to enrich uranium to weapons grade was his fault. Maybe he lifted the sanctions so they could sell even more oil to fund their nuclear program and terrorist proxies?

Nope….but he didn’t say “Don’t”. He said keep it up bitch and you will regret it. Well they FAFOed. And not one US Boot was deployed to the Iranian shores and there was no more “forever” wars.

Quit making excuses: his outburst was worse than a toddlers and he has egg all over his face!
This post was edited on 8/26/25 at 8:02 pm
Posted by thenza
Member since Sep 2013
1525 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:02 pm to
Neither of those things happened.

Smith correctly decided that Kamala Harris could not win that election. He was never a Trump supporter who stabbed him in the back. He gave him a chance, as did I.

The man (Trump) believes in nothing but his own personal power. He HAPPENS to be on the side that is less evil. You dummies (not you specifically-the general “you dummies”) that blindly support him are just excited to be winning and overlook his shortcomings.

As to Iran, you think it was the correct decision to follow the lead of the same group that got us into Iraq and Afghanistan?

I do agree his impeachment wording was over the top. But I also agree that Trump’s whole thing was we’re gonna stop dealing with other people’s baby mama drama. And he’s reneged on all of it.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:05 pm to
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So Israel has a charter that states up front their entire purpose is to kill every Palestinian they can?

So Israel takes all their income (taxes and foreign aid) and instead of trying to make the lives of their people better they create a maze of tunnels and invest in missiles & drones.

Israel out of no where shoots missles indiscriminately without provocation into Gaza or the West Bank?

Oh yeah, Israel launched a surprise attack and targeted civilians early in a Sunday morning of a holiday weekend. Then celebrated it as they dragged dead bodies and hostages back during said surprise attack.

Come on guys, I would 100% oppose Israel if they did what Hamas/the Gazan Palestinian community did. When you are supporting people that danced in the streets when 9/11 occurred you are on the wrong side of the issue.
None of this contends with anything I said

I'm guessing you just wanted to type shite?
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:43 pm to
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I have accepted that people live in different realities. One of my best friends, and one of the most charitable and honest people I’ve ever known, is a staunch democrat who believes Trump wants to usher in the 4th Reich. It doesn’t bug me. She’s a blast to be around and the best cook I know.

I get that if your main exposure to Dave Smith is from Piers Morgan clips that you would consider him a “bro without substance.” Entertaining as it may be at times, that show is the Jerry Springer of political punditry.

But to make the claim that Douglas Murray won that debate…

It’s just blind ‘n dumb. Dumberer than dumb.

I still like Douglas Murray, but my esteem of him went down quite a bit. I’ve followed him for a decade and viewed him as a truth-teller. What he did that day was not the truth. It was the same bullshite Madking is doing in this thread. All he had was “Nuh uh. You’re stupid.”

It comes down to a simple principle. Murray is from the Old World and Smith is an American.
What I mean by that is that Murray thinks of people as civilized or savages. He does see class. (And he isn’t totally wrong) Smith sees everyone as equal. (And he isn’t totally wrong) Murray tried to hide that distinction by calling Smith a useful idiot and attacking Scott Horton and Joe Rogan. It was an obfuscation because he actually believes that Israel is the better society and deserves to live over the Palestinians. That causes him to be dishonest about what they are actually doing. Which is a genocide. It’s the “for the greater good” argument. And he is right in that Israel is the better society. I think Smith agrees with that. He just doesn’t believe that gives Israel the right to kill ‘em all.

I have a huge amount of respect for Dave Smith for his unwavering consistency and pursuit of honest discussion. Forget his politics. Tell me one lie he’s told or cheap political grift he’s ever done.


Great post. I’m sincere when I say we need a four way debate between the following:

Pro-Israel:
Ben Shapiro
Eylon Levy

Anti-War:
Dave Smith
Scott Horton

And yes, no one is Pro-Hamas and anyone that actually takes that side will obviously lose since Hamas is pure evil. Five hour debate between these four with an intermission. Piers Morgan is friendly enough with all of these people and has been on both sides of the debate, so make him the moderator if necessary, but largely let them talk without interrupting unless it gets extremely hostile.

America and the world needs the debate between those four, similarly how I really want a debate between RFK and Bhattacharya vs Fauci and Collins or Hotez when it comes to Covid. The former is an actual possibility and Shapiro and Levy can no longer ignore Smith and Horton, and it would be one of the most viewed debates of all time.

Come on Ben and Eylon, put your money where your mouth is and debate Dave and Scott. Ben would definitely agree to debate Medhi Hasan for instance or anyone truly sympathetic to Hamas because he’d own them, but he’d have a harder time debating someone who thinks Hamas is evil as well.
This post was edited on 8/26/25 at 8:47 pm
Posted by NashvilleTider
Your Mom
Member since Jan 2007
15381 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 8:57 pm to
Only a moron would waste 3 hours listening to his arrogant ignorant drivel
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 9:01 pm to
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Only a moron would waste 3 hours listening to his arrogant ignorant drivel


How do you know if you hadn’t listened to it? I think this is your more likely motive due to people wising up over the past few years:

This post was edited on 8/26/25 at 9:03 pm
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
14769 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 9:15 pm to
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And yes, no one is Pro-Hamas and anyone that actually takes that side will obviously lose since Hamas is pure evil


The inconvenient truth, which Smith can't reconcile, is that Israel is fighting against a an evil governing force that doesn't give two shits about it's citizens, and benefits from civilian casualties.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 9:17 pm to
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The inconvenient truth, which Smith can't reconcile, is that Israel is fighting against a an evil governing force that doesn't give two shits about it's citizens, and benefits from civilian casualties.


He actually can reconcile that because the person that financed them and put them into power is Benjamin Netanyahu. It’s basically the Star Wars prequels.
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
14769 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 9:55 pm to
Netanyahu didn't finance hamas. He allowed funding from Qatar into Gaza.

Too bad Hamas was more concerned with building bombs and tunnels than the well being of civilians.
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