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re: Death Penalty: Yeah or Nay?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:39 am to wareaglepete
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:39 am to wareaglepete
quote:me neither
Plus, do you trust the Justice system? I don’t.
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Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:44 am to Lutcher Lad
Yes: I agree with the use of the death penalty. I believe it is the only true method of justice for some crimes, and administering justice is one of the only real responsibilities of government.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:08 am to FooManChoo
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FooManChoo
I thought you were like a preacher or something?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:10 am to wareaglepete
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Plus, do you trust the Justice system? I don’t.
Locking them away for the rest of their lives isn't that much better, we trust the system for that.
I do not trust the system, but in obvious cases I am for the DP.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:12 am to redneck hippie
quote:I'm not a preacher, but if you're implying that my stance seems contradictory to my professed religious beliefs, I assure you that they are not. If you'd like my justification, let me know what you'd like me to reconcile and I'd gladly do that.
I thought you were like a preacher or something?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:15 am to AggieHank86
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Yeah or Neigh?
quote:
This is a serious topic. You need to rein in the humor.
First, we need to corral all the offenders
Hay there, stay on topic. Keep the thread mooooving
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:15 am to Lutcher Lad
lower them into a pool of acid 1 inch a minute
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:00 pm to ksayetiger
quote:Well, it IS sort of a bellwether issue.quote:This is a serious topic. You need to rein in the humor.
Yeah or Neigh?quote:Hay there, stay on topic. Keep the thread mooooving
First, we need to corral all the offenders
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:01 pm to Lutcher Lad
Neigh. The state should not be able to kill it's own citizens, outside of kill or be killed type situations of it's employees.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:02 pm to Lutcher Lad
Seems like it'd be a lot cheaper just to quit feeding or giving them water til they die alone in their cell.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:04 pm to Lutcher Lad
I don’t see how one can claim to be a Christian and support the death penalty.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:09 pm to sta4ever
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I don’t see how one can claim to be a Christian and support the death penalty
I don't see how in the hell someone can hold your view. They were killing people all throughout the bible.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Yahweh initiated a LOT of killing in the Old Testament, but the New Testament was supposed to implement a new paradigm (which eventually became Christianity).
I don’t see how one can claim to be a Christian and support the death penaltyquote:
I don't see how in the hell someone can hold your view. They were killing people all throughout the bible.
Where in the New Testament does God (or Jesus or the Holy Ghost) say anything at all positive of killing other humans?
I am not a fan of the death penalty, but not for any religious or spiritual reason. I just don't have enough confidence in the infallibility of the judicial system to use it to justify killing a sapient being. Too many errors.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:16 pm to sta4ever
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I don’t see how one can claim to be a Christian and support the death penalty.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't see how in the hell someone can hold your view. They were killing people all throughout the bible.
So killing is ok then?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:43 pm to Lutcher Lad
I'm all for the death penalty for first degree murder and would even add aggravated rape and sexual abuse of children as crimes that carry death as punishment. However, it should be a prerequisite that in order to seek the death penalty, there must be indisputable DNA evidence. There are numerous examples of people being exonerated from death row or a life sentence as a result of lazy cops and/or prosecutors who developed tunnel vision and refused to pursue other leads just to get a quick conviction and close the case.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:46 pm to Lutcher Lad
No
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Kirk Bloodsworth is all too familiar with the flaws in our criminal justice system and the struggle to survive in the world outside after spending time in prison. Kirk endured a wrongful arrest and conviction and spent a total of 8 years, 10 months, and 19 days in prison, 2 of those years on death row, for a brutal crime he did not commit. He still remembers the sound of the prison doors slamming shut behind him. "I was scared to death. I'm not going to lie to you, you know, when that 300-pound doors shut on my life. It was all over. I wouldn't see the light of day again as a free man until 1993 when I was 31 years old."
Kirk was an honorably discharged marine leading a quiet life as a fisherman when in 1984, at 23 years of age, he was accused of the brutal murder of nine-year-old Dawn Hamilton. His conviction was based on witness descriptions of a person that was six foot five, with curly blonde hair, a bushy mustache, tan skin, and skinny. Kirk was about six foot tall. "My hair at the time was as red as a fireplug. I don't tan. I tried to tell these people this from the very beginning and everybody I spoke to I was an innocent man. It fell on deaf ears." Kirk was astonished that five witnesses identified him as the last person seen with Dawn Hamilton. There was no physical or other evidence to prove he was the killer, but two juries, two different prosecutors, two judges, and all the police force of Baltimore County looked no further believed the eyewitness identification. In addition to the flawed eyewitness accounts, poor legal defense and negligent work by detectives and prosecutors contributed to his false conviction. As Kirk puts it,"they were all dead wrong."
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Kirk Bloodsworth is all too familiar with the flaws in our criminal justice system and the struggle to survive in the world outside after spending time in prison. Kirk endured a wrongful arrest and conviction and spent a total of 8 years, 10 months, and 19 days in prison, 2 of those years on death row, for a brutal crime he did not commit. He still remembers the sound of the prison doors slamming shut behind him. "I was scared to death. I'm not going to lie to you, you know, when that 300-pound doors shut on my life. It was all over. I wouldn't see the light of day again as a free man until 1993 when I was 31 years old."
Kirk was an honorably discharged marine leading a quiet life as a fisherman when in 1984, at 23 years of age, he was accused of the brutal murder of nine-year-old Dawn Hamilton. His conviction was based on witness descriptions of a person that was six foot five, with curly blonde hair, a bushy mustache, tan skin, and skinny. Kirk was about six foot tall. "My hair at the time was as red as a fireplug. I don't tan. I tried to tell these people this from the very beginning and everybody I spoke to I was an innocent man. It fell on deaf ears." Kirk was astonished that five witnesses identified him as the last person seen with Dawn Hamilton. There was no physical or other evidence to prove he was the killer, but two juries, two different prosecutors, two judges, and all the police force of Baltimore County looked no further believed the eyewitness identification. In addition to the flawed eyewitness accounts, poor legal defense and negligent work by detectives and prosecutors contributed to his false conviction. As Kirk puts it,"they were all dead wrong."
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:48 pm to Lutcher Lad
Absolutely pro death penalty. The system sucks it takes way too long to execute someone, if at all with the appeals process. Seriously need to bring back public hanging against tPOS who have committed murder.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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When the outcome is clear you should always have the option.
I know I'm a broken record on this. But how do you decide the outcome is "clear"? How would you write that law?
Every convicted murderer is found guilty beyond reasonable doubt. Then, if the State is seeking the death penalty, the jury gets to decide if the crime was heinous enough to warrant the death penalty.
Are you suggesting the jury decide is the defendant's guilt is "clear"? What is a level tighter than "beyond reasonable doubt"? Beyond UNreasonable doubt? Guilty, and we really, really mean it? So guilty we can't imagine any hypothetical evidence that could change our minds?
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:49 pm to Eurocat
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On May 12th 2003, a young woman named Martha Puebla was shot dead outside of her residence in Sun Valley, California. In the week prior, Martha had testified against Mario Catalan for accessory to murder, relating to gang violence. At the time of Martha’s murder, Mario’s brother, Juan, was at a Dodger’s game with his daughter. Juan was an avid Dodger’s fan- having attended hundreds of games. However, Juan Catalan had a detailed criminal background, from his teenage years.
A few months later, he was arrested for the murder of Martha Puebla. Juan was an innocent man that had been framed for a crime that he didn’t commit. Although this was certain to him and those close to him, the District Attorney of Sun Valley, held a strong conviction that it was Juan Catalan who senselessly murdered Martha Puebla. It was not until Juan’s lawyer reviewed an unedited film of the popular HBO show, Curb Your Enthusiasm, that Juan was proved to be innocent and rewarded $320,000 for framing and abusing Juan Catalan.
Juan was not only facing charges for murder, but was expected to face capital punishment.
On May 12th 2003, a young woman named Martha Puebla was shot dead outside of her residence in Sun Valley, California. In the week prior, Martha had testified against Mario Catalan for accessory to murder, relating to gang violence. At the time of Martha’s murder, Mario’s brother, Juan, was at a Dodger’s game with his daughter. Juan was an avid Dodger’s fan- having attended hundreds of games. However, Juan Catalan had a detailed criminal background, from his teenage years.
A few months later, he was arrested for the murder of Martha Puebla. Juan was an innocent man that had been framed for a crime that he didn’t commit. Although this was certain to him and those close to him, the District Attorney of Sun Valley, held a strong conviction that it was Juan Catalan who senselessly murdered Martha Puebla. It was not until Juan’s lawyer reviewed an unedited film of the popular HBO show, Curb Your Enthusiasm, that Juan was proved to be innocent and rewarded $320,000 for framing and abusing Juan Catalan.
Juan was not only facing charges for murder, but was expected to face capital punishment.
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