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Posted on 7/19/22 at 8:03 am to Strannix
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This is like Hitler 2.0, will he ise his Nazi forces to remain in power?
Muh literally Hitler!
This post was edited on 7/19/22 at 8:03 am
Posted on 7/19/22 at 8:20 am to REG861
Zelensky dropped major news on a typically slow Sunday evening, removing from office two of his staunchest allies – Prosecutor General Iryna Venediktova and Security Service Head Ivan Bakanov.
Zelensky cited the high number of suspected traitors in their agencies’ ranks as the main reason for his decision.
“As of today, 651 criminal proceedings have been registered regarding high treason and collaboration among employees of prosecutors' offices, pre-trial investigative bodies, and other law enforcement agencies,” Zelensky said in an address on July 17, an hour after the announced dismissals.
“Such an array of crimes against national security and connections between the employees of Ukrainian and Russian secret services pose very serious questions about the leadership of these agencies,” Zelensky added.
Yet according to Ukraine’s Constitution, the president lacks the powers to single-handedly fire the two officials, with their fate to be decided by a parliamentary vote.
Why were Bakanov and Venediktova removed?
According to Zelensky, both were removed because of endemic treason in their agencies.
The accusation isn’t a surprise. There have been signs that Zelensky is after the SBU for failures related to the invasion.
In April, Zelensky deranked two top generals of the Security Service – Andriy Naumov and Serhiy Kryvoruchko – because they "violated their oath and betrayed their homeland.”
Naumov was the former head of SBU domestic security, while Kryvoruchko headed the Security Service in Kherson Oblast, where the Russian invasion was particularly successful.
According to Zelensky, more than 60 employees of the Prosecutor General’s Office and the Security Service remain in areas recently occupied by Russia and are collaborating with Russians there.
On July 16, the State Investigation Bureau said that a top-level Security Service official had been arrested for leaking intelligence and classified information to the Russian special services.
Although the Bureau did not specify the name of the official, the Ukrainska Pravda media outlet identified him as Oleh Kulinich, the former deputy head of the SBU in Crimea.
“Such an array of crimes against the foundations of the national security of the state and the connections that have been recorded between the employees of the security forces of Ukraine and the special services of Russia pose very serious questions about the relevant leaders,” Zelensky said.
For Venediktova the reasoning was similar, with Zelensky’s spokesman Sergii Nykyforov saying that “hundreds of treason cases are in the works.”
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Zelensky cited the high number of suspected traitors in their agencies’ ranks as the main reason for his decision.
“As of today, 651 criminal proceedings have been registered regarding high treason and collaboration among employees of prosecutors' offices, pre-trial investigative bodies, and other law enforcement agencies,” Zelensky said in an address on July 17, an hour after the announced dismissals.
“Such an array of crimes against national security and connections between the employees of Ukrainian and Russian secret services pose very serious questions about the leadership of these agencies,” Zelensky added.
Yet according to Ukraine’s Constitution, the president lacks the powers to single-handedly fire the two officials, with their fate to be decided by a parliamentary vote.
Why were Bakanov and Venediktova removed?
According to Zelensky, both were removed because of endemic treason in their agencies.
The accusation isn’t a surprise. There have been signs that Zelensky is after the SBU for failures related to the invasion.
In April, Zelensky deranked two top generals of the Security Service – Andriy Naumov and Serhiy Kryvoruchko – because they "violated their oath and betrayed their homeland.”
Naumov was the former head of SBU domestic security, while Kryvoruchko headed the Security Service in Kherson Oblast, where the Russian invasion was particularly successful.
According to Zelensky, more than 60 employees of the Prosecutor General’s Office and the Security Service remain in areas recently occupied by Russia and are collaborating with Russians there.
On July 16, the State Investigation Bureau said that a top-level Security Service official had been arrested for leaking intelligence and classified information to the Russian special services.
Although the Bureau did not specify the name of the official, the Ukrainska Pravda media outlet identified him as Oleh Kulinich, the former deputy head of the SBU in Crimea.
“Such an array of crimes against the foundations of the national security of the state and the connections that have been recorded between the employees of the security forces of Ukraine and the special services of Russia pose very serious questions about the relevant leaders,” Zelensky said.
For Venediktova the reasoning was similar, with Zelensky’s spokesman Sergii Nykyforov saying that “hundreds of treason cases are in the works.”
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 8:57 am to sta4ever
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This board praises Putin
You’re more than welcome to point out where I’ve “praised Putin”. And even if you believe that silly shite, it’s no different than you gobbling Zelensky’s knob just because he’s not Putin.
You’re choosing between two authoritarians in Europe’s two most corrupt countries and trying to act as if that’s virtuous.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:18 am to sta4ever
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Zelensky is not in charge of some Nazi movement, not invading lands, or killing millions of Jews and minorities.
To suggest this is the definition of NAZI and call others stupid is breathtakingly myopic.
If your definition of "NAZI" is someone that kills Jews and other minorities, then you should take some time off from this message board and read history. Also, NAZIs are NOT right wing. Socialists are only to the right of Marixst-Communists.
I bet you think Democrats and Republicans switched ideologies too, huh??
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:43 am to Gideon Swashbuckler
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If your definition of "NAZI" is someone that kills Jews and other minorities
When did I say thats the definition of a Nazi lol. Someone seems a little upset. Are you upset cause your Lord Putin hasn’t won the “special operation” yet?
Posted on 7/19/22 at 10:55 am to thebigmuffaletta
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it’s no different than you gobbling Zelensky’s knob just because he’s not Putin.
And you’re more than welcome to point out where I’ve been gobbling Zelenskys knob. I have not, not even close.
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You’re choosing between two authoritarians in Europe’s two most corrupt countries and trying to act as if that’s virtuous.
Ukraine isn’t authoritarian. Belarus and Russia are authoritarian. China, North Korea, Iran, Syria, those are authoritarian countries. But you guys get your panties in such a wad when anyone shows any kind of support to Ukraine. You guys think it’s virtuous to believe in Russian propaganda, and spew it everywhere like it’s the truth. Don’t tell me you guys don’t support either country, because you guys are definitely on the Russians side in this conflict. You guys are happy to see Russia starting to gain control of Eastern Ukraine.
Prove you don’t support Russia then. Do you agree with the actions Russia took in Ukraine? Do you think that that was a necessary thing to do, for the national security of Russia?
Posted on 7/19/22 at 11:38 am to sta4ever
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And you’re more than welcome to point out where I’ve been gobbling Zelenskys knob. I have not, not even close.
You’ve repeatedly defended Zelensky in this thread and other threads. You even deflected to Orange man bad in an attempt to defend him.
Maybe you’re not swallowing the guy’s load but you’re certainly holding it in your mouth until the swelling goes down.
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Ukraine isn’t authoritarian
Banning opposition parties, taking over the media, and arresting your own people for freely speaking their minds are hallmarks of authoritarianism.
Now spit Zelensky’s dick outta your mouth before he jizzes
This post was edited on 7/19/22 at 11:41 am
Posted on 7/19/22 at 11:55 am to thebigmuffaletta
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Banning opposition parties, taking over the media, and arresting your own people for freely speaking their minds are hallmarks of authoritarianism.
As if the US hasn’t done this before, which is half the reason why y’all side with Russia, because their invasion and reasonings are no different than the US’s invasions, especially in the last 30 years.
You have a country and leader, who think you should do what they want, when a majority of the country, doesn’t want to be under that kind of influence, especially when they’ve experienced how cold and cruel that country has been to them. They know firsthand what it’s like to be under that kind of tyranny. They don’t want to be under Russian rule and I don’t blame them for banning their media and arresting pro Russian people in Ukraine. We’d do the same if we were in a Civil War, or being invaded.
The minority of people in Ukraine that want to be a part of Russia, should just move to Russia. Why does Russia have to have this land anyways? They have plenty of land. Russia is more in the wrong in this conflict and that’s the bottom line.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 12:11 pm to sta4ever
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sta4ever
You are continuously and categorically insulting anyone who disagrees with your takes as Putin and Russian apologists. This is why you and the rest of the OT war thread are the absolute worst. There is absolutely zero nuance in any of your arguments. You equate "not believing or trusting your government and mainstream news" with "siding with Russia". Most of us want this country to mind its own business and control our own borders instead of worrying about borders thousands of miles away.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 12:24 pm to SCLibertarian
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You are continuously and categorically insulting anyone who disagrees with your takes as Putin and Russian apologists. This is why you and the rest of the OT war thread are the absolute worst. There is absolutely zero nuance in any of your arguments
This board has done the same exact shite. When this conflict all started, for months I tried to have rational debate about the situation with people on here, and they’d immediately go to the name calling.
“Why don’t you go and fight in Ukraine, or send your own children then.”
“You stupid liberal. You globalists are screwing this country.”
Just nothing but nonsense like that, so yes I did decide to resort to the name calling. It’s fun tbh.
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You equate "not believing or trusting your government and mainstream news" with "siding with Russia". Most of us want this country to mind its own business and control our own borders instead of worrying about borders thousands of miles away.
I agree with this, but I do think a conflict in Europe is one of the few places where we do have to be somewhat involved. This isn’t the Middle East, or some jungle in Southeast Asia, so we can’t really get involved militarily anyways, which shows the seriousness of the situation. Y’all are just blinded by your hate for who’s in charge of the country right now, and won’t be able to see through anything I say. No different than the Libs during Trumps presidency.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 12:29 pm to sta4ever
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As if the US hasn’t done this before, which is half the reason why y’all side with Russia, because their invasion and reasonings are no different than the US’s invasions, especially in the last 30 years.
I’ll ask you again to point out where I’ve “sided with Russia”. You keep repeating this or “you’re siding with Putin” when I’ve done no such thing. The only thing I’ve said is I’m not going to take sides between two authoritarians in Europe’s two most corrupt countries.
The fact that you have to constantly misrepresent what other people say is proof positive of how weak your position is.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 12:34 pm to basionok
Odds are, much of the leadership wants to stop the war and negotiate and stop sending civilians to certain death. This is treason in that dictator’s mind
Posted on 7/19/22 at 12:38 pm to sta4ever
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Prove you don’t support Russia then. Do you agree with the actions Russia took in Ukraine? Do you think that that was a necessary thing to do, for the national security of Russia?
Some even tried to make the preposterous argument that Putin isn't a Bolshevik.
When those in the know have already made it quite clear that he conforms with just about everything that goes into making a fine, young, bloody, black Bolshevik.
Again:
The Bolshevik Code
Are you actually trying to speak cold, objective Realpolitik here.
But also, we can't just casually dismiss the visuals and humanitarian aspects of women and children not involved in corruption trying to live their lives peacefully suddenly waking up to a world of mutilation and worse to satisfy the ego and irredentist compulsions of a bloody, little Apparatchik.
And even more preposterous that he was going in there out of the goodness of his heart to root out Ukraine's Deep state and corruption.
If that were the case, he'd be more useful here.
This post was edited on 7/19/22 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 7/19/22 at 1:03 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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I’ll ask you again to point out where I’ve “sided with Russia”. You keep repeating this or “you’re siding with Putin” when I’ve done no such thing. The only thing I’ve said is I’m not going to take sides between two authoritarians in Europe’s two most corrupt countries. The fact that you have to constantly misrepresent what other people say is proof positive of how weak your position is.
The entire board is like this. People misrepresent and assume what I believe all the time, and anyone who even slightly supoorts Ukraine. My insults are directed at the poli board, who as a whole, are siding with Putin and Russia in this conflict. They are refusing to come to grips with reality, as to what will come of this conflict, and it’s all because of Russia. That statement right there will piss people off, and they’ll start defending the actions of Russia and Putin, which are far more grave than the actions and goals of other countries. That is called siding and supporting Putin my friend.
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