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re: Does a President have absolute authority?
Posted on 4/13/20 at 7:46 pm to hendersonshands
Posted on 4/13/20 at 7:46 pm to hendersonshands
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That was an idiotic statement by him and if Obama said it, this board would’ve crashed by now. Be consistent.
If a State or Local government is threatening people with arrest and locking up people for no reason, shutting down businesses for no reason.... I would hope any President would do whatever it takes to protect Americans.
As I have said many times, the Federal government does have standing... and they have the power.... if the States abuse their power... yes, the President send in the troops and prosecute under existing Federal criminal law (I have already provided multiple statutes these governors could be prosecuted under).
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 7:49 pm
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 7:50 pm to honeybadger07
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Thanks, I’ll wait!
K- I’ll address each point in order
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First, I didn’t say you said that, I explicitly said “I assume your saying”...otherwise why why would you post a thread at this moment in time on DJT having ultimate authority....and Then you go to pointing out that he does not.....when you know what the discussion has been today on Trump opening it back up with his authority. Don’t play games with what I said baw!
I posted bc i was watching his press conference and since this group is the largest group of trump supporters i converse with, I wanted to see how a limited government minded person would deep throat this expanded federal government policy belief
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2nd: Curious on what date you knew this all was inevitable...link to a post of yours with date would be great!
To be honest and fair/ i felt we were in deep shite the first week of March - i didn’t post anything but I got worried because where i worked and how we all pass sickness like it’s candy. I recall telling different legislators that we were about to get fucjed bc the Wuhan virus (that’s what we called it then) was going to destroy our economy _ Florida’s number one industry is tourism ...ppl werent going to travel.
Also, it’s kinda irrelevant when you or I felt a pandemic was inevitable/ you nor I are privy to
Inside information like the President or select members of the House/Senate are/ A good timeline to see when the President knew...whatever date that those US Senators were briefed and then the next day sold and bought stocks in accordance to that briefing...that’s when the President was aware of the inevitable
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3rd: So Is it Trumps job to run each states response? Or is it his job to coordinate the federal response and help states if possible? At the end of the day....whose responsibility is it for each states response?
It’s Obvs the state is responsible for their response - {the underline point of my post} - but the federal government has the resources to have projected information [see above response] and during that month of no action is a great time to get an assessment of where each state was and get their plan ...and let the state’s know the potential scope....i can almost certainly tell you, in Florida, IF IT WAS discussed, it was deep behind closed doors and not in any of the house/senate budget until the last week of February. And even then, we have spent $100m since the second week of March on first responder issues.
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4th: Glad to see you have knowledge on pandemic outbreaks and how to deal with them....what could the government have “planned better” for instead of being reactionary? ....which wouldn’t this all be reactionary to a virus that broke out and spread at an extremely aggressive rate?
See above for content but i will say, if our (Florida) sect of the dept of emergency management knew of the impact back in January...he’d have secured enough PPEs to not have beat up on 3M for not selling to us
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5th: And you still didn’t answer my question on who does have authority to open the federal government?
I didn’t even know trump shut anything down but Obvs the President can open/shut the federal government...i guess Congess can too by funding
But this isn’t about the federal government...
Posted on 4/13/20 at 7:50 pm to fatheadgator
We’re all about State’s rights now, aren’t we?
Posted on 4/13/20 at 7:52 pm to wareaglepete
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We’re all about State’s rights now, aren’t we?
States have rights, they can't abuse those rights and threaten to destroy Americans and hold them captive. The Federal government has standing and has the power to deal with these States, see Civil War.
What you have is basically sedition.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 7:53 pm to fatheadgator
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Does a President have absolute authority?
As far as what goes?
Posted on 4/13/20 at 7:54 pm to HailToTheChiz
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It's total.
Not absolute
Absolutely.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 7:56 pm to fatheadgator
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I expect my fellow conservatives on this board will take issue w/ Trump’s declaration
What did he declare?
Posted on 4/13/20 at 7:59 pm to fatheadgator
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But this isn’t about the federal government...
What is it about?
Be specific.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 8:01 pm to fatheadgator
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At the point of “opening” up a state because there is no longer a public health emergency...shouldn’t that act not apply?
Also, will the president have to explain how a state is not maintaining public order?
When the President determines
What says he has to explain anything?
Posted on 4/13/20 at 8:05 pm to fatheadgator
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This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 4/13/20 at 8:05 pm to YF12
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When the President determines What says he has to explain anything?
Technically, the President can send a nuclear bomber over the capital of Kentucky and start dropping, just like he can send it over to Iraqi. These wackos that skipped school think that States can just do whatever they want to Americans are like talking to bricks.
These governors and local officials better hope the indictments don't start going out the door... are they going to say they have State rights when the U.S. Marshal shows up?
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Under normal circumstances, I'd say the Constitution is clear. Federal authority is not absolute. However, each state declared a federal emergency. I'm sure that requires them to relinguish previously held authority.
Federal courts have upheld the local governments to try and protect the public, meaning quarantines.
These are not quarantines, they are interfering with interstate commerce and kidnapping Americans which do not have diseases and are not subject to quarantine orders.
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 4/13/20 at 8:17 pm to fatheadgator
President Trump IS the executive branch and ALL executive powers are exercised only at HIS discretion. but i will never understand why he has chosen to not remove the numerous chinese propaganda spreaders allowed to stay in this country 
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 4/13/20 at 8:42 pm to wareaglepete
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We’re all about State’s rights now, aren’t we?
I’ve always been!
Posted on 4/13/20 at 8:59 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
Exactly, see the hypocrisy? It was fine with Lincoln, but not with President Trump. This country’s government is a fricking sham.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:10 pm to fatheadgator
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that’s when the President was aware of the inevitable
Lol....well maybe someone should have let Fauci In on it....you know the head medical professional on this along with Dr Birx....because up until Feb 29th, you know when all of this inaction was going on....he was telling the American public that we shouldn’t change anything about our daily lives.
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but the federal government has the resources to have projected information [see above response] and during that month of no action is a great time to get an assessment of where each state was and get their plan ...and let the state’s know the potential scope
So maybe on like I dunno February 9th, when The White House Coronavirus Task Force briefed governors from across the nation at the National Governors’ Association Meeting in Washington.
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i can almost certainly tell you, in Florida, IF IT WAS discussed, it was deep behind closed doors and not in any of the house/senate budget until the last week of February
So I guess this maybe is some brag on yourself and insight into you “being in the know”.....but sounds more like your not as important as you think you are and just not involved in discussions of this magnitude. Just because it wasn’t discussed in your little budget meetings you are privy to until end of Feb. means you can make the claim the state of Florida was never briefed on this nor had discussions on this matter?? Haha, would love to know who you really are, get you back down to reality. Oh and I’m not claiming they did or didn’t get briefed or met on this....but I’m not on here claiming as almost fact when you don’t know shite.
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if our (Florida) sect of the dept of emergency management knew of the impact back in January...he’d have secured enough PPEs to not have beat up on 3M for not selling to us
Ok dude, back in January? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound to say that? Because some senators viewed the risk/reward of dumping stock early on as a way to mitigate any risk of this being something or nothing and correlate that into the government should have been going and spending billions of dollars on a virus they really knew nothing about at the time because CHINA wouldn’t let scientist into the country until end of February and we had just handful of infections in late January.
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i guess Congess can too by funding
Hmmmm.....I must have missed the news story then when congress shut it all down by withholding funding.....would love a link to that news story for some fresh reading! And before you go there....yes the house does control spending and budget and could shut down government if a budget is not agreed upon but we are not talking about that scenario, don’t want you going off topic now!
Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:38 pm to fatheadgator
This has been hashed out numerous times over the centuries.
Bottom line: Both sides have some constitutional merit.
BUT
If push comes to shove, POTUS has the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, etc...
Congress has the Capitol Police
Bottom line: Both sides have some constitutional merit.
BUT
If push comes to shove, POTUS has the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, etc...
Congress has the Capitol Police
Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:40 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Yesterday: "Why aren't you mandating governors shut down their states"
Today: "What gives you the power to open states""
Today: "What gives you the power to open states""
Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:49 pm to gobuxgo5
Yesterday: The states need to look out for themselves.. That's our stockpile
Today: I have total authority over what happens to the states
The states are going to decide what's best for themselves, primarily, and I don't think there's going to be much controversy about it at the end of the day.. The people's will will be recognized
Today: I have total authority over what happens to the states
The states are going to decide what's best for themselves, primarily, and I don't think there's going to be much controversy about it at the end of the day.. The people's will will be recognized
Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:53 pm to JuiceTerry
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Yesterday: The states need to look out for themselves.. That's our stockpile
Today: I have total authority over what happens to the states
The states are going to decide what's best for themselves, primarily, and I don't think there's going to be much controversy about it at the end of the day.. The people's will will be recognized
Sounds like we agree Juice.
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