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re: F the unions....They are saying that 75% of people support them going on strike.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 3:52 pm to tigerterrace
Posted on 9/26/23 at 3:52 pm to tigerterrace
It's almost where the man buying a house and supporting a family can't afford a new car now. This very well may put it out of range for them.
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Posted on 9/26/23 at 3:52 pm to 4cubbies
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I don’t understand why you are invested in the livelihoods of people you have nothing to do with.
This is such a low IQ take. It is exactly like when people say shoplifting doesn't hurt shoppers or storeowners because they have insurance.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 3:58 pm to SammyTiger
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corporation: we don’t want to pay american workers and we’ll just ship those jobs to asia
conservatives: frick em
Corporation: Happy Pride
conservatives: corporation have turned on us.
Well, yeah. This is a little distorted coming from a board contrarian/progressive, but the theme is accurate enough.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 4:03 pm to tigerterrace
Posted on 9/26/23 at 4:04 pm to tigerterrace
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It is simply Math...If Joe is working the Factory Line making 80K/yr and wants a 50% increase that means he goes to $120k/yr and then he retires and 4 years and collects $60K for life adding $20 to each year of retirement.
Those costs keep adding up and causes the cost of goods to rise.
Just like paying people $15/hr to work at BK sounds like a great deal until everything goes up by $1+ an item.
Yet vehicle prices keep going up more than "inflation" warrants and then never come back down, meanwhile pay stays the same. All the while this shitty argument keeps getting made.
It would be one thing if the cost of paying employees a certain amount more actually materialized in the same proportion with an increase in the price of goods/services, but you know that is never the case. Instead prices rise to continuously increase profit margins and workers are made out to be the reason. It's too easy to make them the scapegoat for something that is going to happen anyways.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 4:05 pm to tigerterrace
UAW is on thin ice with 2 million illegals coming in every year.
The auto plants in Mexico seem to operate just fine. Seems like a few buses to Detroit brings the price of vehicles down in a hurry.
The auto plants in Mexico seem to operate just fine. Seems like a few buses to Detroit brings the price of vehicles down in a hurry.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 4:07 pm to taylork37
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It would be one thing if the cost of paying employees a certain amount more actually materialized in the same proportion with an increase in the price of goods/services,
Or in this case a rise in quality. They want more money and continue pumping out shitty products.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 4:09 pm to Colonel Flagg
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All companies would pick manufacturing in the US from a quality and talent perspective if the labor cost and regulations were just halfway reasonable.
You mean if they those companies were allowed to treat the environment and people as poorly in the US as they do in other countries.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 4:15 pm to taylork37
No. As long as the US doesn’t do insanely stupid regulations (picking industry winners and losers) and out-of-line compensation demands then they would rather stay. That is the honest truth.
If people really think that other countries are doing such bad things we should put tariffs on all of those imports.
If people really think that other countries are doing such bad things we should put tariffs on all of those imports.
This post was edited on 9/26/23 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 9/26/23 at 4:15 pm to blueagateblues
quote:Fair enough. Well done! Though somehow we outlawed child labor without a union.
40-hour work week
quote:WTF?
healthcare
quote:You mean that thing that crippled most corporations? Yeah, no.
pensions
quote:IMO, the most important function of unions and the one they seem to spend the least amount of time on.
the ability to ensure safe working conditions.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 4:17 pm to blueagateblues
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If unions didn't exist, we wouldn't have a 40-hour work week, healthcare, pensions, and the ability to ensure safe working conditions.
I have all of those things in a profession that ethically (and possibly legally) isn’t allowed to unionize. You know why? Because my labor is more valuable than someone putting windshields on a car in a factory line.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 4:24 pm to Colonel Flagg
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No. As long as the US doesn’t do insanely stupid regulations (picking industry winners and losers) and out-of-line compensation demands then they would rather stay. That is the honest truth
Oh...as long as that's the "honest truth." It amazes me how gullible some people are.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 4:24 pm to tigerterrace
Always heard you can work hard or be in a union.
Hire non-union guys they are way more skilled and not as lazy
Hire non-union guys they are way more skilled and not as lazy
Posted on 9/26/23 at 4:26 pm to blueagateblues
Pretty sure OSHA does more these days for safe working conditions than unions do
Posted on 9/26/23 at 4:47 pm to tigerterrace
I don't support the unions but I'm rooting for the collapse of these corporations. about time conservative Americans stop simping for mega corps.
all the whinging about muh capitalism has allowed leftist to dominate the field and mix it with their perverted version of Marxism.
let them fight
all the whinging about muh capitalism has allowed leftist to dominate the field and mix it with their perverted version of Marxism.
let them fight
Posted on 9/26/23 at 4:54 pm to Pettifogger
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F the unions....They are saying that 75% of people support them going on strike. by PettifoggerI'll be honest, I've been anti modern union for most of my life. And I still have a lot of that sentiment.
But I can't help but notice that it often results in a default position of being pro-corporation in a way that has brought us (traditional Americans) very little in return. To the contrary, in nearly every meaningful fight those corporate interests we've backed have eventually turned against us.
I think the reality is for the neutral, traditional American, you're probably on the sideline here as neither side in this battle serves your ends.
Come from a multi generational Union background and I still have a soft spot for the working class but the unions went so far into Leftist politics I have a hard time supporting unions as a whole.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 4:58 pm to Pettifogger
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Well, yeah. This is a little distorted coming from a board contrarian/progressive, but the theme is accurate enough.
it’s not really that distorted.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 6:34 pm to tigerterrace
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I understand that they were necessary back in the past and they served a purpose for as you say fair wages and safe conditions, but I think now they are not much different than the modern MOB
I can tell you with firsthand knowledge. I worked for a company as a union hand and a nonunion hand doing the exact same job and the people that work at the nonunion plant constantly get shite on. One thing I can tell about the nonunion plant. I worked there for seven years and when I receive my retirement money it comes in two checks. One from the union and one from the nonunion. They are pretty much the same amount
This post was edited on 9/26/23 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 9/26/23 at 6:48 pm to Pettifogger
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I think the reality is for the neutral, traditional American, you're probably on the sideline here as neither side in this battle serves your ends.
This. I 100% agree
Posted on 9/26/23 at 7:16 pm to taylork37
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Oh...as long as that's the "honest truth." It amazes me how gullible some people are.
I mean I work in manufacturing. Corporations value American manufacturing and quality.
This post was edited on 9/26/23 at 7:19 pm
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