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re: For all you anti-immigrant types...
Posted on 6/28/14 at 4:55 pm to Ponchy Tiger
Posted on 6/28/14 at 4:55 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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Why couldn't it be cheap?
Well you mentioned legal steps, but not to what extent. That could add up.
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Standards such as much as possible verify that they aren't a criminal. That they aren't carrying any contagious disease. Some form of simple test proving they can function in society. I would even want a system to where they had to check in with a immigration officer every 3 months to just gauge if they are adjusting and conforming with American life and laws. That would benefit both the immigrant and the USA.
Yeah, all of this wouldn't be cheap, unless you're going to slide the cost to taxpayers. Otherwise, you'd still have a lot of the poorer workers sneaking over the border.
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Posted on 6/28/14 at 4:58 pm to Patrick O Rly
quote:Like there isn't cost involved in the shite show we are seeing now?
Yeah, all of this wouldn't be cheap, unless you're going to slide the cost to taxpayers.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 4:58 pm to Patrick O Rly
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The problem is your currency is constantly being devalued, and services that people really need (food, college, health care) are inflated by subsidies, government backed student loans, and monopolized health care markets in which insurance has turned into a primary payment method. The systems are bogged down in absolutely NEEDLESS bureaucracy. It's the lower class that are effected by it the most, and they are usually given assistance which further inflates these markets.
I actually agree with a lot of this. Government intrusion into these markets increases costs above their natural level. However, I disagree that the lower class is most affected. It is the middle class who are squeezed. The government assistance to the poor allows them to go to college, receive medical care, subsidizes their housing. For the middle class there is no relief.
I would prefer little government influence on these markets and let wages and costs trend to their natural equilibrium. Every time the government tries to make something affordable the cost skyrockets (see higher education and healthcare).
Posted on 6/28/14 at 4:59 pm to Jbird
No, of course not, but we're talking about encouraging legal immigration, and you have to make it to where it's affordable for poorer immigrants. Otherwise you'll have the same problems.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 5:01 pm to Patrick O Rly
quote:Yep first make illegal entry a servere penalty. Second make a logical process for entry. Third make it consistent.
No, of course not, but we're talking about encouraging legal immigration
Posted on 6/28/14 at 5:03 pm to ChEgrad
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I actually agree with a lot of this. Government intrusion into these markets increases costs above their natural level. However, I disagree that the lower class is most affected. It is the middle class who are squeezed. The government assistance to the poor allows them to go to college, receive medical care, subsidizes their housing. For the middle class there is no relief.
True, but they are affected the most by these inflationary policies initially before the assistance is adjusted.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 5:04 pm to Jbird
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Yep first make illegal entry a servere penalty.
Like what?
Posted on 6/28/14 at 5:07 pm to Patrick O Rly
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Anti-Immigrants are Anti-American. Read again if you must.
I'm more anti-stupid, which means I'm anti you! Read it again clown, and let it sink in.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 5:07 pm to Patrick O Rly
First illegal entry means never gaining U.S. citizenship.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 5:10 pm to Jagd Tiger
Wait, I didn't say that. 
Posted on 6/28/14 at 5:12 pm to Jbird
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First illegal entry means never gaining U.S. citizenship.
Is that really a deterrent for those who are immigrating illegally now? I think the draw is work.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 5:15 pm to Patrick O Rly
quote:No I guess not because frankly the don't give a shite about this country nor the laws, so you are right they won't be affected by anything we do.
Is that really a deterrent for those who are immigrating illegally now?
Posted on 6/28/14 at 5:16 pm to Jbird
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No I guess not because frankly the don't give a shite about this country nor the laws, so you are right they won't be affected by anything we do.
I wouldn't say all that. You just need to properly incentivize people.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 5:19 pm to Patrick O Rly
quote:How the frick do you do that? They are already doing it for the cost of a Coyote's fee, they give not a single shite for this country or it's laws.
I wouldn't say all that. You just need to properly incentivize people.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 5:26 pm to Jbird
What is a Coyote's fee?
Posted on 6/28/14 at 5:30 pm to Patrick O Rly
500 to a grand to get brought over the border. You have never heard of a Coyote before?
Posted on 6/28/14 at 5:51 pm to Jbird
Never heard of a Coyote fee.
I think the whole process exceeds 1000, but I don't think cost is the sole issue. It's the endless jumping through hoops.
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And earlier you mentioned they don't respect our laws. Well, hell, I don't respect them either. They're freaking stupid.
There was a book written by this guy who, studying our law, figured out that the average person committed 3 felonies a day just by going about their day.
Anyway, I don't respect meaningless, arbitrary laws.
I think the whole process exceeds 1000, but I don't think cost is the sole issue. It's the endless jumping through hoops.
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And earlier you mentioned they don't respect our laws. Well, hell, I don't respect them either. They're freaking stupid.
There was a book written by this guy who, studying our law, figured out that the average person committed 3 felonies a day just by going about their day.
Anyway, I don't respect meaningless, arbitrary laws.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 5:55 pm to Jagd Tiger
quote:Oh ..... BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!
I'm more anti-stupid, which means I'm anti you!
Glad I ain't you, Patrick.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 6:01 pm to Patrick O Rly
quote:Which has not a frick to do with what we are talking about.
Anyway, I don't respect meaningless, arbitrary laws.
By the way the Coyote is the a-hole from Mexico that you pay to smuggle you into the U.S.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 6:03 pm to Jbird
quote:So a thread about illegal immigration doesn't have anything to do with meaningless, arbitrary laws? Hmm...
Which has not a frick to do with what we are talking about.
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