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Posted on 6/29/14 at 8:57 am to
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62055 posts
Posted on 6/29/14 at 8:57 am to
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Well Jizzy Jeff, there is a big difference between "Immigration" and "Migrants".... the law.



I hear Jazzy Jeff gets all his ideas from the Fresh Prince!
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
137026 posts
Posted on 6/29/14 at 8:59 am to
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I did.
No.
Instead you conflated legal with illegal, and assigned those who oppose breaking the law the racist mantra.

The only question is whether you did so out of stupidity, or to troll, or both.

This post was edited on 6/29/14 at 9:07 am
Posted by Enadious
formerly B5Lurker City of Central
Member since Aug 2004
18600 posts
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:04 am to
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This is only for white people from Europe I guess and not those brown people from down south.


Nope, it's for all those who do it legally.

You got a problem with laws?
Posted by JazzyJeff
Japan
Member since Sep 2006
3938 posts
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:08 am to
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Instead you conflated legal with illegal
That doesn't matter. People have the right to live where they want, especially those who are escaping crime and poverty. America loves to pat herself on the back talking about freedom ad nauseam, but when it comes to offering people an opportunity to live free lives, well...
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and assigned those who oppose breaking the law the racist mantra.

Again...if all those faces down south were white, there would be people lining up to help and assist in any way possible.

But they're not and they don't.

Posted by JazzyJeff
Japan
Member since Sep 2006
3938 posts
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:09 am to
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You got a problem with laws?
With the unjust ones? Yes.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
137026 posts
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:16 am to
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That doesn't matter.
The law doesn't matter.
Really?
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Again...if all those faces down south were white, there would be people lining up to help and assist in any way possible.
You have zero basis for that assertion other than your own personal frustrations being shunned as a Gaijin.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62055 posts
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:16 am to
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That doesn't matter. People have the right to live where they want, especially those who are escaping crime and poverty. America loves to pat herself on the back talking about freedom ad nauseam, but when it comes to offering people an opportunity to live free lives, well...



Should every person fleeing an oppressive gov. in the entire world be allowed to just simply move to America in mass? Some of the people who are being oppressed in certain countiries have facilitated their own oppression by their beliefs or inactions.
Posted by JazzyJeff
Japan
Member since Sep 2006
3938 posts
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:20 am to
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Should every person fleeing an oppressive gov. in the entire world be allowed to just simply move to America in mass? Some of the people who are being oppressed in certain countiries have facilitated their own oppression by their beliefs or inactions.

People should be able to live in any country they choose. And if America is the destination of choice, then so be it. Like I said. If you don't want to live in a country of immigrants, leave.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
137026 posts
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:26 am to
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People should be able to live in any country they choose. And if America is the destination of choice, then so be it.
Folks with bomb vests eagerly support that stupidity.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76794 posts
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:27 am to
And like many have said, you must choose which of these you want:

1. A country with welfare and restricted immigration.

2. A country with no welfare and open borders.

Take your pick. You can't have a welfare state and open borders. It is not economically feasible and the time period which you referenced in your OP lacked the welfare state we have now.

So, as I and others have said, take your pick.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
56137 posts
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:28 am to
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JazzyJeff


Don't worry. You're going to get your way it appears. Heard on tv news this morning that Obama is considering these illegals flooding into the country as refugees. That way he can circumvent Congress once again with his pen and EO.

I guess now we get to argue over the definition "refugee".
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62055 posts
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:29 am to
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People should be able to live in any country they choose. And if America is the destination of choice, then so be it. Like I said. If you don't want to live in a country of immigrants, leave.



So our only 2 choices in America are to embrace illegal immigration or leave?
We are back to the same arguement we had the other day? Should all the homeless in the world be able to move in with you since they are free to simply go where they want?
Posted by JazzyJeff
Japan
Member since Sep 2006
3938 posts
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:31 am to
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2. A country with no welfare and open borders.
A basic safety net is needed and the humane thing to do. America is an extremely wealthy country and can afford to provide basic services for the poor.

The US spends insane amounts of money to murder muslims. Use that money to save lives, not take them.
Posted by JazzyJeff
Japan
Member since Sep 2006
3938 posts
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:33 am to
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Should all the homeless in the world be able to move in with you since they are free to simply go where they want?

The government can and should provide housing for the poor and homeless.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76794 posts
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:34 am to
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A basic safety net is needed and the humane thing to do. America is an extremely wealthy country and can afford to provide basic services for the poor.
Sorry, it will not work. You cannot survive if you are flooded by individuals coming for these basic services that they are unable to get for free in their home country.

If you want open borders, you cannot offer welfare of any kind.
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The US spends insane amounts of money to murder muslims. Use that money to save lives, not take them.
Irrelevant to the overall discussion.

Considering that what you are asking is an impossibility, this entire discussion is irrelevant in reality anyway.
This post was edited on 6/29/14 at 9:36 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
137026 posts
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:34 am to
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America is an extremely wealthy country
By what definition, troll.
Posted by JazzyJeff
Japan
Member since Sep 2006
3938 posts
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:37 am to
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By what definition, troll.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62055 posts
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:45 am to
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The government can and should provide housing for the poor and homeless.



So our government should provide homes for the worlds homeless? In countries like Mexico, there are plenty of natural resources to sustain their entire citizenry, but the gov. is corrupt. In Muslim countries, there is enough oil revenue to sustain the people, but religious zealots control the country. Why should America take all these refugees when they do nothing to change their own situations and are largely responsible for their own plight?
How many homeless people are you housing?
Posted by JazzyJeff
Japan
Member since Sep 2006
3938 posts
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:49 am to
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Sorry, it will not work. You cannot survive if you are flooded by individuals coming for these basic services that they are unable to get for free in their home country.
BS. American can afford it. Look at the budget and the enormous waste. If the US wanted to, if America really wanted to live up to its calling to be a nation of immigrants, it could.
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The US spends insane amounts of money to murder muslims. Use that money to save lives, not take them.
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Irrelevant to the overall discussion.
Oh but it is. America has no problem coming up with the funds to invade, kill, murder, and terrorize who it chooses. It's a matter of will.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
87723 posts
Posted on 6/29/14 at 9:50 am to
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Again...if all those faces down south were white, there would be people lining up to help and assist in any way possible. But they're not and they don't.
Just fricking stop, you are embarrassing yourself with the dumbasses yet again today.
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