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re: Gavin McInnes: Alt-right v. Alt-Lite
Posted on 4/17/17 at 9:52 am to Iosh
Posted on 4/17/17 at 9:52 am to Iosh
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you're resisting this argument not because it's invalid, but because you know where it's going.
well please do everyone a favor and get to the fricking point. As I see it, there is no reason why being Alt-Lite and pro-increased legal immigration are mutually exclusive...but of course they don't necessarily have to coincide either. It's already been pointed out that the ideology isn't overly concerned with immigration, but rather Western values, so I'm not sure where this "is going".
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Posted on 4/17/17 at 9:53 am to Iosh
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I don't think you can be pro-Western culture and anti-immigration without adopting alt-right (as opposed to alt-lite) tenets
why?
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If the two spheres didn't interact there would be a random mapping of alt-liters who were pro-immigration and alt-liters who weren't.
i don't know if there is a full roster really at this point
honestly even of the ones listed in the video, i am not an expert on their immigration views. i know pretty much all of them demand assimilation of immigrants
Here is a Lauren Southern video praising legal immigrants and attacking the media's celebration of illegal immigration
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But aside from your dutiful "I'm totally the unicorn who supports this thing I never post about,"
immigration?
Posted on 4/17/17 at 9:56 am to Iosh
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I don't think you can be pro-Western culture and anti-immigration without adopting alt-right (as opposed to alt-lite) tenets, as McInnes has defined them.
What utter crap. The only explanation for being anti-immigration is white supremacy? gtfo with that nonsense
Posted on 4/17/17 at 9:56 am to TN Bhoy
there is nothing wrong or immoral with a group defending and preserving itself
it is done every day and celebrated when all other groups do it, except for whites
supremacist doctrine is where the line crossing begins
it is done every day and celebrated when all other groups do it, except for whites
supremacist doctrine is where the line crossing begins
Posted on 4/17/17 at 9:56 am to CptRusty
quote:Where it's going:
As I see it, there is no reason why being Alt-Lite and pro-increased illegal immigration are mutually exclusive...but of course they don't necessarily have to coincide either. It's already been pointed out that the ideology isn't overly concerned with immigration, but rather Western values, so I'm not sure where this "is going".
- If alt-lite is about "Western culture for everyone" then it would be agnostic on immigration.
- It isn't, there are no alt-lite commentators advocating more legal immigration.
- This disjunction implies some degree of ethnic determinist underpinning.
- Ethnic determinism is disjunctive of "Western culture for everyone."
Posted on 4/17/17 at 9:57 am to Lakeboy7
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Yes I mean actual racist.
Name them.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 9:58 am to TN Bhoy
You're a very confused young man, aren't you?
Posted on 4/17/17 at 9:59 am to CptRusty
quote:One might be anti-immigration on purely labor grounds, but that's an even more remote possibility. The only guy I know of who sorta fits that bill is Mickey Kaus.
The only explanation for being anti-immigration is white supremacy?
Posted on 4/17/17 at 9:59 am to Iosh
Did you mean to say pro-illegal immigration because you said pro-immigration.
I don't know anyone IRL that doesn't support legal immigration.
I don't know anyone IRL that doesn't support legal immigration.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 10:00 am to Iosh
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If alt-lite is about "Western culture for everyone" then it would be agnostic on immigration.
it is. from a purely 'moving people from one country to another" standpoint. Now, that also must be done within the bounds of preserving western culture, so if those being immigrated are, for instance, staunchly Islamic pro-sharia law...then yes that immigration would be opposed. Note this has nothing to do with them being brown.
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there are no alt-lite commentators advocating more legal immigration
Are there any advocating for a decrease in legal immigration? This position of "if you are not for an increase in something, you are against that thing" is abject nonsense.
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Posted on 4/17/17 at 10:00 am to CptRusty
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It's already been pointed out that the ideology isn't overly concerned with immigration, but rather Western values, so I'm not sure where this "is going".
yeah
i mean i just posted a Lauren Southern video where she was certainly not against legal immigration
Gavin McInnes IS a legal immigrant (in an interracial relationship, to add more to the cake in response to TN Boy)
i mean i don't know what kind of a distribution Iosh expects from the "alt-lite" but there are 2 who don't oppose legal immigration from his list
Posted on 4/17/17 at 10:02 am to TrueTiger
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there is nothing wrong or immoral with a group defending and preserving itself
There shouldn't be. Personally, I don't give a damn what somebody calls it. America has a right, just like every other country, to look out for her own best interests.
Nationalism =/= white nationalism. I posted a video yesterday which showed black residents of Los Angeles complaining to their city council that preferential treatment was being given to illegal immigrants. The first speaker was a black male who was wearing a Trump hat.
Nationalism is a mindset. It isn't a color.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 10:03 am to Iosh
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- If alt-lite is about "Western culture for everyone" then it would be agnostic on immigration.
only if we assume all immigrants adopt Western values and ideological opponents promoting illegal immigration aren't also protecting their non-assimilation. this is a theory v. reality issue. alt-lite'ers know what those promoting illegal immigration are using it for re: Western culture so it's fully natural to be against these policies in defense of Western Culture
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- It isn't, there are no alt-lite commentators advocating more legal immigration.
- This disjunction implies some degree of ethnic determinist underpinning.
this is quite the logical leap. you just jumped from culture to ethnicity in a single bound
Posted on 4/17/17 at 10:37 am to Iosh
quote:So not: nationalism
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The only explanation for being anti-immigration is white supremacy?
One might be anti-immigration on purely labor grounds, but that's an even more remote possibility. The only guy I know of who sorta fits that bill is Mickey Kaus.
Law/Order
Anti-Cartel
Concerns about Terrorism
etc.
No. Not those bigger reasons.
No sir, the tiny group of people who hate immigration on racist and labor grounds. . .those are the only possible reasons.
I am pro-open borders, personally. But fricklemons like you do a larger disservice to my cause by painting with a broad, and disgustingly dishonest, brush.
Nationalism is the OVERWHELMING root of anti-illegal immigration cause. You want to strike at the heart of the movement, strike true. Don't aim for the miniscule rationale, just because the target is easier to hit.
You are a pointless void of bandwith. Get better, please.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:04 am to Roaad
y'all should have just backed away. It was apparent what was happening when iosh went full lawyer and asserted victory even after being presented with the evidence he requested
Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:18 am to Tiguar
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Gavin McInnes: Alt-right v. Alt-Lite by Tiguar
y'all should have just backed away. It was apparent what was happening when iosh went full lawyer and asserted victory even after being presented with the evidence he requested
This thread isn't getting anywhere, but that's not Ioshs fault. He is closer to real-talk than anyone else ITT.
People just don't want to admit, even to themselves, the ethnic component of their anti-immigration position.
I readily admit it, and I don't consider myself a racist. I want there to be a good future for white people as a distinct race. Do the rest of you not want that?
For the record, I also want the future to be better for other races.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:20 am to uway
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I readily admit it, and I don't consider myself a racist. I want there to be a good future for white people as a distinct race. Do the rest of you not want that?
i don't care
i care about values being preserved. i have no idea why so many people are so invested onto the ethnic division of future populations.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:25 am to Roaad
quote:Nationalism falls into one of the two depending on whether it's economic or ethnic. The other three don't much map onto the issue of legal immigration since we already don't admit terrorists/cartel members legally. Those are reasons to argue for tighter screening maybe but different from the overall question of more/less immigration.
nationalism
Law/Order
Anti-Cartel
Concerns about Terrorism
Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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i have no idea why so many people are so invested onto the ethnic division of future populations
Because
- I have eyes to see what multiculturalism leads to, how diversity plays out in my hometown, my state, my country, and the world, and I know as well as you do that race makes a difference in the kind of life different populations choose
- I like Western civilization and think it better than all others (at least as it was before progressivism)
- I have children
What's your argument that I shouldn't think what I think?
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