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re: Gay Marriage
Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:57 am to burger bearcat
Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:57 am to burger bearcat
Why bring this up in 2024? This horse has left the barn. Personally, it should be a civil union with same legal standing as husband and wife, but I’m in the small minority. So it’s marriage regardless of same sex or not.
It’s like abortion. It’s not going away. It’s too embedded in our culture.
It’s like abortion. It’s not going away. It’s too embedded in our culture.
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Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:59 am to Flats
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That would force them to admit that laws and morality are intertwined and that they LIKE enforcing certain morals that they think are important enough to enforce.
The problem with your stance is something like 70% of the population is fine with gay marriage, and that percentage is only climbing higher. I'd bet the USSC didn't rule in favor of gay marriage until the majority of the pop supported it.
If anything, the government is enforcing morality here, you're just in an ever decreasing minority.
This post was edited on 11/26/24 at 8:00 am
Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Good luck winning elections with that attitude.
Guess how you win elections?
Read the very first sentence of my OP
I understand the political reality at this moment. I probably wouldn't advocate for a major Republican politician to run on banning gay marriage at this time.
I'm just asking for someone to justify how Gay Marriage improves our society.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:00 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Its absolutely nothing like that.
Yes it is. They are both high risk behaviors that cause physical damage if not done in a “safe” way. The argument for clean needle access programs is “people are gonna shoot heroin whether you like it or not”. It’s literally the same argument and reasoning.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:01 am to burger bearcat
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I understand the political reality at this moment
then why even make the point? Its hypothetical at best.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:01 am to Fat Bastard
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gay marriage opened pandoras box to the mentally ill transgender bullshite we have now.
Connect those dots, please.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:01 am to OBReb6
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They are both high risk behaviors
So is sex with any stranger.
Do you want hook ups outlawed? Do you want to make sex illegal without contraception?
If you had said "handing out condoms in bathhouses" you would have made a lick of sense.
This post was edited on 11/26/24 at 8:04 am
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:02 am to Deplorableinohio
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Why bring this up in 2024?
Because you either stand for the truth or not. Are we only allowed to debate issues that are politically even or favorable to our side? What happens when or if the majority of the country supports gun bans and open borders? Do we no longer debate these issues or do we ditch them, because we can't win with them?
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:03 am to OBReb6
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If they wanted a civil union with the same benefits, there are very few who would have ever argued that shouldn’t have been legal.
My exact sentiment. Call it whatever you want, i don't have a problem with it.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:03 am to Azkiger
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The problem with your stance is something like 70% of the population is fine with gay marriage,
Why do you think that's a problem with my stance?
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the government is enforcing morality here, you're just in an ever decreasing minority.
That's correct, today. It wasn't passed via the legislative process and the courts had to give it an artificial jump start. When brought to the people or the peoples' representatives It failed pretty much everywhere but one or two states. If you're happy about SCOTUS ruling via judicial decree we just have different ideas about governing.
But the larger point is one you've confirmed; that might makes right and we codify our morality all the time, so it's foolish to raise that as an objection to any particular measure.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:05 am to burger bearcat
Run a google trend on the term LGBT and put a pin drop on when the ruling occured. Sadly can't give an inch even when it is seemingly benign.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:06 am to burger bearcat
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Because you either stand for the truth or not. Are we only allowed to debate issues that are politically even or favorable to our side? What happens when or if the majority of the country supports gun bans and open borders? Do we no longer debate these issues or do we ditch them, because we can't win with them?
I think he means you've already tried and failed. If you failed when it was a 50/50 issue you're not going win when it's a 70/30 issue and still trending.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:06 am to burger bearcat
There is no such thing as gay mirage
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:06 am to Azkiger
real simple dumbfrick.
use your brain
show me where we had all this trans BS PRE PHAGG marriage.
WE DIDN'T
L G B T Q
you did not hear much about the T in that until gay marriage was passed. then another set of people wanted what they deemed as acceptance as well. that being trans.
use your brain
show me where we had all this trans BS PRE PHAGG marriage.
WE DIDN'T
L G B T Q
you did not hear much about the T in that until gay marriage was passed. then another set of people wanted what they deemed as acceptance as well. that being trans.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:06 am to Azkiger
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Connect those dots, please.
Easy.
Gay Marriage forces communities to accept a lie. It says that a man and a man can be united into one marriage. This is an inversion of our nature.
Transgenderism is the same lie. Transgenders want the society at large to accept their delusion, this is what the whole pronoun thing is about. It's about having the greater community affirm their disordered behavior.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:06 am to burger bearcat
Why is marriage needed period from a governmental perspective
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:07 am to burger bearcat
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It's about having the greater community affirm their disordered behavior.
BINGO
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:07 am to thelawnwranglers
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Why is marriage needed period from a governmental perspective
Precisely.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:08 am to burger bearcat
The Gay Marriage ship has sailed. Expending energy and political capital trying to put that genie back in the bottle is a long term loser. (It was nowhere to be found in the republican platform this year). It is more important to get the LGB to divest themselves of the rest of the alphabet soup we won’t do that by attacking their unions.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:08 am to burger bearcat
Not a fan and I don't think the government should be issuing a "License" at any level (federal or local), but the only reason it makes any sense is for benefits and medical issues deemed to include "Family".
Taxes come into play because of the married exemptions benefits.
Of course, when Trump eliminates Personal income taxes, that argument will go away and after RFK, Jr. fixes healthcare, the medical benefits will correct themselves.
To all the Homosexuals, God will discuss the right or wrong of your decisions. As for me and most conservatives, go live your life and stop expecting the world to embrace your sickness.
Taxes come into play because of the married exemptions benefits.
Of course, when Trump eliminates Personal income taxes, that argument will go away and after RFK, Jr. fixes healthcare, the medical benefits will correct themselves.
To all the Homosexuals, God will discuss the right or wrong of your decisions. As for me and most conservatives, go live your life and stop expecting the world to embrace your sickness.
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