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re: Gay Marriage
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:09 am to MizunoDude
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:09 am to MizunoDude
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To all the Homosexuals, God will discuss the right or wrong of your decisions. As for me and most conservatives, go live your life and stop expecting the world to embrace your sickness.
This is the most sane post in this thread.
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Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:09 am to Flats
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Why do you think that's a problem with my stance?
Because you're claiming the government is trying to not legislate morality. It would seem that it is. 70% of the population wanted to legalize gay marriage because they think it's moral to do so and what do you know? It's legalized.
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It wasn't passed via the legislative process and the courts had to give it an artificial jump start.
The framework is there. Marriage was already a right. Can the government discriminate based on immutable traits or not?
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:10 am to SidewalkDawg
quote:Agreed. The government doesn’t license parenting, so why should it license marriage.
get government out of marriage all together.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:10 am to Fat Bastard
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show me where we had all this trans BS PRE PHAGG marriage.
So your argument is since A occurred before B, A caused B?
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
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So is sex with any stranger.
Do you want hook ups outlawed? Do you want to make sex illegal without contraception?
No, but people should be shamed for it. It’s the most powerful social tool.
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If you had said "handing out condoms in bathhouses" you would have made a lick of sense.
The state sanctioning gay marriage was a statement, that made the act seem normal and just as good as the real thing. It took away the stigma that it was wrong and morally corrupt. Which goes back to my point on shaming and social cost to hook up culture, it took a lot of the power away from that.
I don’t really care that much about this issue, I don’t think you can put it back in the box and I’m not personally willing to go out and fight the fight that would be required to undo it. I don’t think it should have been mass legalized by the Supreme Court, but it’s over now as far as I’m concerned.
Having said that, I’m not going to lie about what it is or sugarcoat the fact it’s an inversion of the point of marriage. Do you think society and social norms have gotten better since it was legalized? No you don’t because you bitch about it all the time like the rest of us. Yet you are blind to all the reasons things have gotten so bad because you have a dogmatic and simpleton view of libertarianism.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:12 am to Azkiger
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Because you're claiming the government is trying to not legislate morality.
I'm claiming nothing of the sort. I'm saying that's a frequent claim made by proponents of all sorts of behavior that people want to be legal but isn't.
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Marriage was already a right.
A right with all sorts of restrictions that fit the moral norms of society.
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Can the government discriminate based on immutable traits or not?
Sure, you think there's a big uni-sex bathroom in federal buildings? Can you join the military when you're missing a leg? Men can generally be topless and women cannot.
Do you need more examples?
This post was edited on 11/26/24 at 8:14 am
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:12 am to OBReb6
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Yet you are blind to all the reasons things have gotten so bad
bullshite.
I'm for letting people die due to their own behaviors. Which would happen if you dipshits stopped trying to keep people alive.
One day you morons will learn, you cant save society or this government.
This post was edited on 11/26/24 at 8:14 am
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:12 am to Fat Bastard
There used to be a difference between Christian Marriage and Gay Marriage as most Christian churches would not Perform a Christian Gay Marriage.
Now the Methodist church has split because of this issue. They are not alone, even some Baptist Churches (Alliance of Baptist) recognize and perform Gay Marriage Ceremonies. Episcopal Churches, Church of Christ, Judaism, Presbyterian, allow this.
Words matter, but I am OK with Gay Marriage, but NOT in my church. I feel churches are not following scripture, etc.
Now the Methodist church has split because of this issue. They are not alone, even some Baptist Churches (Alliance of Baptist) recognize and perform Gay Marriage Ceremonies. Episcopal Churches, Church of Christ, Judaism, Presbyterian, allow this.
Words matter, but I am OK with Gay Marriage, but NOT in my church. I feel churches are not following scripture, etc.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:13 am to burger bearcat
You damned fundamentalists are just as bad the liberal blue-haired freakshows on the left. You want the government in our lives just as much as they do. Leave people be.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:13 am to burger bearcat
Leave gay marriage alone. Some of you guys think they choose to be gay. Thats ridiculous. Just like I’m not attracted to men, some dudes don’t like women. Gay people should have the same opportunity to be married as straight people.
I’d be ok with banning government in all marriages. Outside of that, there’s no reason to discriminate against gay people.
I’d be ok with banning government in all marriages. Outside of that, there’s no reason to discriminate against gay people.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:13 am to burger bearcat
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Gay Marriage forces communities to accept a lie.
Pretty sure it only forced the state to recognize gay marriage. You're still free to disagree with it, just like you're doing now.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:14 am to burger bearcat
There is zero benefit to gay marriage other than people’s “feeling”
Would why should I subsidize the marriage between a 50 year old man and a 17 year old boy which would be legal in some stages?
Or how about 2 men who just want to shack up for the tax break? Or 2 women?
Besides, marriage is a legal construct (and sometimes religious) through which 2 people can produce and raise offspring in a stable environment. That can produce a positive birth rate and sustain a country on a collective basis.
It’s a scientific fact that 2 people of the same sex cannot reproduce between themselves. It’s also been shown through studies that gay male relationships involve a very high level of infidelity and thus instability.
Would why should I subsidize the marriage between a 50 year old man and a 17 year old boy which would be legal in some stages?
Or how about 2 men who just want to shack up for the tax break? Or 2 women?
Besides, marriage is a legal construct (and sometimes religious) through which 2 people can produce and raise offspring in a stable environment. That can produce a positive birth rate and sustain a country on a collective basis.
It’s a scientific fact that 2 people of the same sex cannot reproduce between themselves. It’s also been shown through studies that gay male relationships involve a very high level of infidelity and thus instability.
This post was edited on 11/26/24 at 8:17 am
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:15 am to Flats
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A right with all sorts of restrictions that fit the moral norms of society.
And what does 70% of this society think on the matter?
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Sure, you think there's a big uni-sex bathroom in federal buildings? Can you join the military when you're missing a leg? Men can generally be topless and women cannot.
Could the Feds outlaw Christian marriage?
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:15 am to Azkiger
Again what is the purpose of marriage as an institution throughout history? To celebrate the union of a man and woman for the purpose of starting a family. Two men or two women cannot do that. There is no gay marriage. It has no purpose beyond your hedonistic pleasure
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:15 am to NEDM92
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It has no purpose beyond your hedonistic pleasure
If this were true they wouldnt get married.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:16 am to SlidellCajun
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There is zero benefit to gay marriage other than people’s “feeling”
There are benefits to the couple involved including end of life decisions, post life decisions, etc.
Doesn't hurt you for two Gays to get married. Just not in my Church.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:16 am to NEDM92
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Again what is the purpose of marriage as an institution throughout history? To celebrate the union of a man and woman for the purpose of starting a family. Two men or two women cannot do that. There is no gay marriage. It has no purpose beyond your hedonistic pleasure
There's no comparable purpose. Still, that alone shouldn't restrict someone from partaking.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:16 am to burger bearcat
Why do you care what other people do in their lives? If two people who happen to be the same sex love each other and want to marry each other, how does this make your live so miserable?
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:17 am to OBReb6
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It’s literally the same argument as the clean needle one
How do you propose the government put a stop to gay sex? Put cameras in everyone's homes, cars, hotel rooms, restrooms, etc?
You're not a conservative. You want a highly intrusive government for your wannabe theocracy.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:18 am to allin2010
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There are benefits to the couple involved including end of life decisions, post life decisions, etc.
Those things can be handled legally outside of a marriage. It happens all the time
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