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Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:56 pm to dstone12
quote:One thing with control-centered states is that every social engineering disaster, upon being realized, is always followed by another.
I also think they have some serious, diabolical methods of trying to save themselves.
Which prompts the question about our covid response.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 1:00 am to Roaad
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You have to have significant percentage of working-age labor to fund programs for the huge numbers of elderly and infirmed. If the balance shifts, it can be devastating to the economy. . .and to the ruling party.
good for micro agriculture though, unless you live in a place that let the CCP and Bill Gates buy up all the fricking farmland
Posted on 1/8/23 at 1:13 am to Jack Ruby
quote:I don't know about 10 years, but I've been saying on this board for years that China is fricked.
Geopolitical Analyst: China has 10 yrs left...
Unfortunately, it goes against the fetish the board has for actively hoping they are right about their fantasies of China somehow dominating us.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 1:16 am to Jayrod79
quote:What does that mean, "leading economy"? They're per capita GDP is pitifully far behind ours. Like, 0% chance of ever overtaking it, behind. It's basically a 3rd world country.
but most forcast show China becoming the leading world economy in the next 20 to 30 years
Posted on 1/8/23 at 1:54 am to Jack Ruby
Good.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 1:58 am to Jack Ruby
Sounds like they could use several 1.2 megaton B83's to assist with their great reset. 
Posted on 1/8/23 at 2:33 am to Big Scrub TX
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What does that mean, "leading economy"?
It means they will have the world's highest ranking economy. I did not say they are the leading economy obviously the US is by about 5 trillion. What are you not understanding about the 20 to 30 year part? They would only need to show slightly more growth than the US over decades to pass the US for the " leading economy". Obviously it's all projection and we will not know until time passes but it could be less than a decade according to some. China was the second largest economy in 2022 and was pretty much on lockdown. They will show growth in 23 and beyond. The trade war with China has been lost for years. American companies moving manufacturing to China has cost the US for years. China has infiltrated just about everything in the US including buying land right next to our military bases. I don't know how you see things but in reality they are not f**king around.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 6:41 am to chalmetteowl
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Meh they have more immigration though
So do we
The immigration the Scandinavians would rely on is Muslim. They have seen enough of that to recoil in horror.
Don’t count them out, though. They were sinking in socialism in the 90’s, and they reformed - introducing an aggressive capitalism that saved them. They might do the same with their population problem. They could radically incentivize having babies.
This post was edited on 1/8/23 at 6:53 am
Posted on 1/8/23 at 6:55 am to Jack Ruby
China doesn’t have ten years left. The clock ran out on China in 2020 when the pandemic hit, and everyone recognized that Trump had been right about them. The end for China is HERE, not ten years in the future.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 7:02 am to NCAAFootballGenius
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China is really good at manufacturing. There are plenty of places with lower labor cost than China yet all of the best companies in the world keep buying from there.
You are wrong on this. Western companies are decoupling from China with a quickness. You think China is cheap now? Just wait. They are going to get even cheaper as the demand for their output decreases.
The house of cards is falling. Command economies cannot work. They are pyramid schemes, and they collapse like all pyramid schemes - when the base gets so large that a larger base cannot be installed. This one is collapsing fast because the world has awakened to the ChiComs perfidy.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 7:09 am to blueboy
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Explain to me why this is a problem for anyone but the rich ruling class whose business models require constant growth?
I mean the middle and lower classes get to benefit from the societal advancement, also.
There are major governmental-budget concerns others have mentioned, but there are major market issues, too. Young people innovate (often for the direct benefit of young people). You invert the population, and you decrease the number of possible innovators and flip the market so its dominated by a population who doesn't want to innovate.
This isn't the 19th century where we based our economy and standard of living on whether or not people are starving. We will begin to slide back towards that goal if population starts to decline (with the assumption that the decline is with yutes and older people keep living).
If you want a topical reference, do you really think a society where CBS becomes the primary content outlet is a positive step? You let the population becomes too old and it will be like the BBC, where you have CBS1, CBS2, etc.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 7:12 am to CelticDog
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1 child was the right move
Even China admits it was stupid
And the unintended consequences of it were pretty devastating
Posted on 1/8/23 at 7:20 am to blueboy
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Sure, them going down will take others with them, but humanity will be fine in the long run.
This is like a larger argument than the specific one with China.
China will still exist in 10 years, but it's going to have a dramatic decrease in living standards, wealth, etc.
Same will happen to the world. We will still be here, obviously, but it will be much less advanced with many problems that the current living standards have "solved" (hunger, disease, etc.)
Posted on 1/8/23 at 7:23 am to Jack Ruby
He’s talking about a country of 1.4 billion people falling into chaos. I wouldn’t wish that kind of suffering on anybody.
I know how I’d get out of that decline if I were their leader: invade surrounding nations and incorporate their populations and economies.
This post was edited on 1/8/23 at 7:27 am
Posted on 1/8/23 at 7:45 am to NCAAFootballGenius
Jim Rogers is bullish on China.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 7:47 am to TheHarahanian
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I know how I’d get out of that decline if I were their leader: invade surrounding nations and incorporate their populations and economies.
There are 2 major issues with this plan
1. Chinese are racist as the frick
2. They would have to invade nuclear powers (Pakistan, India) or their periphery to make that work. China sees how Russia is fricking itself in Ukraine (an area that has actal strategic and economic value), so, other than irrational insanity, they wouldn't likely take this risk.
I also saw a clip from this show last night and he says that they can't run the ops in these countries. Theoretically true, but I don't know if I have the same willingness to accept that they couldn't force the natives to do so.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 7:48 am to RollTide4Ever
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Jim Rogers is bullish on China.
Posted on 1/8/23 at 9:41 am to WinnPtiger
quote:Only if you are talking about subsistence farming.
good for micro agriculture though
Posted on 1/8/23 at 9:44 am to TheHarahanian
quote:Also it will be GLOBALLY destabilizing
He’s talking about a country of 1.4 billion people falling into chaos. I wouldn’t wish that kind of suffering on anybody.
Everyone would feel it
quote:He addresses that.
I know how I’d get out of that decline if I were their leader: invade surrounding nations and incorporate their populations and economies.
China would be sanctioned. If they stopped getting their imports of food and energy, it would cause widespread famine and de-industrialization.
Russia can take sanctions because they are a net food/energy exporter. China is not.
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