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re: HLI: Update/resurrection
Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:05 pm to Boudin
Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:05 pm to Boudin
Gods of Eden
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:42 pm to Darkomantis
Here is a short-ish video I think some will find very interesting.. Shakespeare was illumined, to say the least.
The Shakespeare Equation
Eta: It's really only a teaser - as his other videos go deeper into the secret meaning of his poetry and it's ties to sacred geometry, the pyramids, esoteric, etc.
It's actually more on topic than I thought, the more I watch.. Sonnets Structure : Part 1 touches on Set, Horus, Isis, light and dark, Christianity and ancient Egyptian mythology.
Sonnets Structure : Part 2
MF'er! The Shakespeare Equation Trailer
The Shakespeare Equation
Eta: It's really only a teaser - as his other videos go deeper into the secret meaning of his poetry and it's ties to sacred geometry, the pyramids, esoteric, etc.
It's actually more on topic than I thought, the more I watch.. Sonnets Structure : Part 1 touches on Set, Horus, Isis, light and dark, Christianity and ancient Egyptian mythology.
Sonnets Structure : Part 2
MF'er! The Shakespeare Equation Trailer
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 9:42 pm to Boudin
Regarding previous post.. Here's a quick summary
quote:
Now the journey takes an even more dramatic turn. We find that Shakespeare has been pointing us towards the Great Pyramid not only in the mathematical precision of Book II but in certain subtly veiled segments of his plays and sonnets. Poetry alone however could never conclusively prove his intent; it's too subjective. So he used sacred geometry and pure mathematics to silence the inevitable naysayers.
Don't worry... you don't need to understand math to appreciate the elegance of his masterpiece. The author guides us step by step to the exquisite realization that the Bard has created a miniature blueprint of the ancient wisdom embedded in the pyramid — revelations of a mathematical perfection that science could benefit from today. It's quite simply the most beautiful hidden work of genius imaginable. The greatest story Shakespeare ever wrote... is yet to be told!
quote:
This second book in this breakthrough series presents an astonishing sacred geometry code embedded in the title page of Shakespeare's Sonnets. The perfection of the hidden pattern reveals twelve of the most significant mathematical constants, all to at least three decimal places of accuracy! But Shakespeare (and Dee) don't stop there. They give us one more scientific conundrum to ponder. They've embedded the precise geographic coordinates of the Great Pyramid of Giza!
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 11:36 pm to Darkomantis
I have finished the Council for National Policy compile that I said I was going to do: LINK
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:23 am to Boudin
Smithsonian cover up was probably about the giants. At least when I've seen stuff about giants they often mention how smithsonian gets called in then the stories are never heard of again. Or it could be Smithsonian just covers up lots of things in general.
There's a lot of history covered up in America. There used to be giant white people here according to Indians. There were also more "normal" sized white people in different places too. Now there is the consensus starting to build that Caucasian man was the first to be in the Americas and they were actually genocided by the Asians that came over later.
As far as pyramids, they keep finding them everywhere, all across the world. Or they'll find these "mounds." Often have giant bones found near these mounds. Giants were noted to have six fingers and toes (instead of five). Some tribe in South America is noted to occasionally have six fingers. St. Louis used to have these big mounds/pyramids but almost all of them have been knocked down. They thought the Indians must have built them but the Indians said the mounds were already there when they arrived.
You can just scrounge about on youtube and find lots of stuff on these topics.
There's a lot of history covered up in America. There used to be giant white people here according to Indians. There were also more "normal" sized white people in different places too. Now there is the consensus starting to build that Caucasian man was the first to be in the Americas and they were actually genocided by the Asians that came over later.
As far as pyramids, they keep finding them everywhere, all across the world. Or they'll find these "mounds." Often have giant bones found near these mounds. Giants were noted to have six fingers and toes (instead of five). Some tribe in South America is noted to occasionally have six fingers. St. Louis used to have these big mounds/pyramids but almost all of them have been knocked down. They thought the Indians must have built them but the Indians said the mounds were already there when they arrived.
You can just scrounge about on youtube and find lots of stuff on these topics.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 12:15 pm to zatetic
Yea, I've seen that stuff before. I should've been more specific, I was referring to the individuals mentioned.
Darkomantis, where you from? Most here are from the SE US.
Darkomantis, where you from? Most here are from the SE US.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 5:12 pm to Boudin
quote:
Shakespeare was illumined
Funny you bring this up...
I am becoming more convinced that there are no such things as coincidences
Background:
Through odd confluences, Hail mentioned a game / internet puzzle called "The Stone" earlier in this thread. I checked it out and noted the following:
-much of the content touched on topics we discuss here as answers to complex riddles
-one of the first riddles I solved involved the info about Shakespeare below. By answering the riddle, a discussion ensued that alluded to the fact that Shakespeare had special knowledge/insight....
I have not been able to follow up further on Shakespeare due to other content I am into currently
-Also, the creator of "The Stone" is on record tying the game to the Pink Floyd album "The Division Bell"
quote:
"Ariel's Song" is a verse passage in Scene ii of Act I of William Shakespeare's The Tempest. It consists of two stanzas to be delivered by the spirit Ariel, in the hearing of Ferdinand. In performance it is sometimes sung and sometimes spoken. There is an extant musical setting of the second stanza by Shakespeare's contemporary Robert Johnson, which may have been used in the original production.
"Full Fathom Five"[edit]
"Full Fathom Five" is the second stanza of "Ariel's song",[1] better known than the first, and often presented alone. It implicitly addresses Ferdinand, who with his father has just gone through a shipwreck in which the father supposedly drowned.
It is the origin of the identically worded catchphrase, which means "at a depth of five fathoms [of water]", and thus, in most evocations, drowned and lost as the father is.
Full fathom five thy father lies;
Of his bones are coral made;
Those are pearls that were his eyes;
Nothing of him that doth fade,
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange.
Sea-nymphs hourly ring his knell:
Ding-dong.
Hark! now I hear them — Ding-dong, bell.
Fathers who are submerged....
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Last Pink Floyd album ever released...
Osiris walks or surfs on his star boat of eternity
Even prior to this current inquiry, I have felt that "Endless River" refers to conciousness
The Endless River tracklisting:
Side 1
Things Left Unsaid
It’s What We Do
Ebb And Flow
Side 2
Sum
Skins
Unsung
Anisina
Side 3
The Lost Art Of Conversation
On Noodle Street
Night Light
Allons-y (1)
Autumn ‘68
Allons-y (2)
Talkin’ Hawkin’
Side 4
Calling
Eyes To Pearls
Surfacing
Louder Than Words
Keep in mind that this is mainly an instrumental album. Look at the tracks I have bolded and think about the theme of this thread...
"Talkin' Hawkin'" - Lyrics "sung" by Stephen Hawkin....
Speech has allowed the communication of ideas
Enabling human beings to work together to build the impossible
Mankind's greatest achievements have come about by talking
Our greatest hopes could become reality in the future
With the technology at our disposal, the possibilities are unbounded
All we need to do is make sure we keep talking
Notice how the verse "with the technology at our disposal, the possibilities are unbounded" appears to reflect a present tense statement....
Lastly,
Anisina means....
Babylon Turkish-English Dictionary
in memory of, in commemoration of, in remembrance of
remembrance, memory, recollection
Göbekli Tepe in Turkey....
NatGeo
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"Sorrow"
The sweet smell of a great sorrow lies over the land
Plumes of smoke rise and merge into the leaden sky
A man lies and dreams of green fields and rivers
But awakes to a morning with no reason for waking
He's haunted by the memory of a lost paradise
In his youth or a dream, he can't be precise
He's chained forever to a world that's departed
It's not enough, it's not enough
His blood has frozen & curdled with fright
His knees have trembled & given way in the night
His hand has weakened at the moment of truth
His step has faltered
One world, one soul
Time pass, the river rolls
And he talks to the river of lost love and dedication
And silent replies that swirl invitation
Flow dark and troubled to an oily sea
A grim intimation of what is to be
There's an unceasing wind that blows through this night
And there's dust in my eyes, that blinds my sight
And silence that speaks so much louder than words
Of promises broken
Will get through all of Mystery Babylon, then do my Pink Floyd breakdown...
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 4/27/17 at 5:30 pm to Boudin
For those currently into Mystery Babylon, this is a good watch/listen
youtube
Hancock reads off the following in the talk:
The Lament of Hermes....
youtube
So, I was looking at contemporary info that complements Mystery Babylon and purchased this series. Rogan had commented on his podcast how awesome the series is.
I am just starting this, but the first presentation is about the power of the brain/consciousness and the import of art and music....
[img]LINK [/
**Nightime reading update: From Hall book - Hermes is known as Thoth. Thoth = Thought
"Hey You"
Hey you ! out there in the cold
Getting lonely, getting old, can you feel me
Hey you ! Standing in the aisles
With itchy feet and fading smiles, can you feel me
Hey you ! don't help them to bury the light
Don't give in without a fight.
Hey you ! out there on your own
sitting naked by the phone would you touch me
Hey you ! with your ear against the wall
Waiting for someone to call out would you touch me
Hey you ! would you help me to carry the stone
Open your heart, I'm coming home
But it was only a fantasy
The wall was too high as you can see
No matter how he tried he could not break free
And the worms ate into his brain.
Hey you ! out there on the road
Always doing what you're told, can you help me
Hey you ! out there beyond the wall
Breaking bottles in the hall, can you help me
Hey you ! don't tell me there's no hope at all
Together we stand, divided we fall.
youtube
quote:
The Mysterious Origins of Civilization: John Anthony West in conversation with Graham Hancock
Hancock reads off the following in the talk:
The Lament of Hermes....
quote:
Hermes Trismegistus:
Do you not know, Asclepius, that Egypt is an image of heaven, or, to speak more exactly, in Egypt all the operations of the powers which rule and work in heaven have been transferred to earth below?
Nay, it should rather be said that the whole Kosmos dwells in this our land as in its sanctuary. And yet, since it is fitting that wise men should have knowledge of all events before they come to pass, you must not be left in ignorance of this: there will come a time when it will be seen that in vain have the Egyptians honoured the deity with heartfelt piety and assiduous service; and all our holy worship will be found bootless and ineffectual. For the gods will return from earth to heaven.
Egypt will be forsaken, and the land which was once the home of religion will be left desolate, bereft of the presence of its deities.
This land and region will be filled with foreigners; not only will men neglect the service of the gods, but ... ; and Egypt will be occupied by Scythians or Indians or by some such race from the barbarian countries thereabout. In that day will our most holy land, this land of shrines and temples, be filled with funerals and corpses. To thee, most holy Nile, I cry, to thee I foretell that which shall be; swollen with torrents of blood, thou wilt rise to the level of thy banks, and thy sacred waves will be not only stained, but utterly fouled with gore.
Do you weep at this, Asclepius? There is worse to come; Egypt herself will have yet more to suffer; she will fall into a far more piteous plight, and will be infected with yet more, grievous plagues; and this land, which once was holy, a land which loved the gods, and wherein alone, in reward for her devotion, the gods deigned to sojourn upon earth, a land which was the teacher of mankind in holiness and piety, this land will go beyond all in cruel deeds. The dead will far outnumber the living; and the survivors will be known for Egyptians by their tongue alone, but in their actions they will seem to be men of another race.
O Egypt, Egypt, of thy religion nothing will remain but an empty tale, which thine own children in time to come will not believe; nothing will be left but graven words, and only the stones will tell of thy piety. And in that day men will be weary of life, and they will cease to think the universe worthy of reverent wonder and of worship. And so religion, the greatest of all blessings, for there is nothing, nor has been, nor ever shall be, that can be deemed a greater boon, will be threatened with destruction; men will think it a burden, and will come to scorn it. They will no longer love this world around us, this incomparable work of God, this glorious structure which he has built, this sum of good made up of things of many diverse forms, this instrument whereby the will of God operates in that which be has made, ungrudgingly favouring man’s welfare, this combination and accumulation of all the manifold things that can call forth the veneration, praise, and love of the beholder.
Darkness will be preferred to light, and death will be thought more profitable than life; no one will raise his eyes to heaven ; the pious will be deemed insane, and the impious wise; the madman will be thought a brave man, and the wicked will be esteemed as good. As to the soul, and the belief that it is immortal by nature, or may hope to attain to immortality, as I have taught you, all this they will mock at, and will even persuade themselves that it is false. No word of reverence or piety, no utterance worthy of heaven and of the gods of heaven, will be heard or believed.
And so the gods will depart from mankind, a grievous thing!, and only evil angels will remain, who will mingle with men, and drive the poor wretches by main force into all manner of reckless crime, into wars, and robberies, and frauds, and all things hostile to the nature of the soul. Then will the earth no longer stand unshaken, and the sea will bear no ships; heaven will not support the stars in their orbits, nor will the stars pursue their constant course in heaven; all voices of the gods will of necessity be silenced and dumb; the fruits of the earth will rot; the soil will turn barren, and the very air will sicken in sullen stagnation. After this manner will old age come upon the world. Religion will be no more; all things will be disordered and awry; all good will disappear.
But when all this has befallen, Asclepius, then the Master and Father, God, the first before all, the maker of that god who first came into being, will look on that which has come to pass, and will stay the disorder by the counterworking of his will, which is the good. He will call back to the right path those who have gone astray; he will cleanse the world from evil, now washing it away with water-floods, now burning it out with fiercest fire, or again expelling it by war and pestilence. And thus he will bring back his world to its former aspect, so that the Kosmos will once more be deemed worthy of worship and wondering reverence, and God, the maker and restorer of the mighty fabric, will be adored by the men of that day with unceasing hymns of praise and blessing.
Such is the new birth of the Kosmos; it is a making again of all things good, a holy and awe-striking restoration of all nature; and it is wrought in the process of time by the eternal will of God. For Gods will has no beginning; it is ever the same, and as it now is, even so it has ever been, without beginning. For it is the very being of God to purpose good.
youtube
quote:
Magical Egypt 2 Episode One Trailer - Art is The Prophet
So, I was looking at contemporary info that complements Mystery Babylon and purchased this series. Rogan had commented on his podcast how awesome the series is.
I am just starting this, but the first presentation is about the power of the brain/consciousness and the import of art and music....
[img]LINK [/
**Nightime reading update: From Hall book - Hermes is known as Thoth. Thoth = Thought
"Hey You"
Hey you ! out there in the cold
Getting lonely, getting old, can you feel me
Hey you ! Standing in the aisles
With itchy feet and fading smiles, can you feel me
Hey you ! don't help them to bury the light
Don't give in without a fight.
Hey you ! out there on your own
sitting naked by the phone would you touch me
Hey you ! with your ear against the wall
Waiting for someone to call out would you touch me
Hey you ! would you help me to carry the stone
Open your heart, I'm coming home
But it was only a fantasy
The wall was too high as you can see
No matter how he tried he could not break free
And the worms ate into his brain.
Hey you ! out there on the road
Always doing what you're told, can you help me
Hey you ! out there beyond the wall
Breaking bottles in the hall, can you help me
Hey you ! don't tell me there's no hope at all
Together we stand, divided we fall.
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:41 am to ThinePreparedAni
Hey ThinepreparedAni,
It seems that the archived HLI summary post was apparently deleted off archive.org. Very odd that happened... Is it possible that you have a version of your summary in a word doc? If not, I'll probably construct a new summary post.
It seems that the archived HLI summary post was apparently deleted off archive.org. Very odd that happened... Is it possible that you have a version of your summary in a word doc? If not, I'll probably construct a new summary post.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:37 am to Darkomantis
He said he did, and he's usually around in the evening
Posted on 4/28/17 at 11:50 am to Boudin
Ben Greenfield Podacast
Not in the show notes, but they talk about nutrition and beauty and how that affects the golden ratio and/or phi in humans roughly 30-35 minutes into it.
I thought the note was cool, hearing about the golden ratio in a more mainstream way.
Not in the show notes, but they talk about nutrition and beauty and how that affects the golden ratio and/or phi in humans roughly 30-35 minutes into it.
I thought the note was cool, hearing about the golden ratio in a more mainstream way.
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 9:15 am
Posted on 4/28/17 at 12:41 pm to Boudin
quote:
He said he did, and he's usually around in the evening
I see, thank you.
Also, to answer your previous question, I live in EST US.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 7:45 pm to Darkomantis
quote:
Is it possible that you have a version of your summary in a word doc?
I do
Will update this thread over the weekend with it.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 8:17 pm to Boudin
Mind. Blown.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 8:55 pm to F16HT1N6 T163R5
Posted on 5/1/17 at 3:56 pm to ThinePreparedAni
quote:
Will update this thread over the weekend with it.
Are you going to update the thread TPA?
Posted on 5/1/17 at 8:22 pm to Boudin
Boudin, thanks for the recommendation. I'll check it out as soon as I can and let you know what I thought about it.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 8:46 pm to Darkomantis
quote:
Darkomantis
Not as well formatted as before, but here is the info:
Ancient History/Spirituality:
It's well known that there was a catastrophic event 10-15k years ago and that many of our megastructures that persist to this day are from a civilization that existed then but leaves no other trace than lore.
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Many global monuments (Pyramids) were built back then. There is a wide array of artifacts that are dated to the era you can look up in the literature. Very limited cave drawings have been found, but no advanced writing or manuscripts other than stone engravings. They probably had paper and some form of ink, but none of that would be left today.
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There is no evidence of any continuous order from the time the pyramids were built until now, nor unbroken transmission of knowledge from the period. Not just society, but consciousness, suffered systemic breakdown globally between the construction of the pyramids and the present day.
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Recorded human history is about 6-7k years, but a civilization clearly existed before this and suffered complete collapse.
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Many monuments are predate "modern" civilization (i.e. the pyramids / sphinx in Egypt were not built several thousand years ago but rather are over 10,000 years old)
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Sure. You can tell that many of the Giza structures are much, much older than claimed due to water erosion combined with climatological knowledge of how long the region has been arid.
Pretty soon you realize that these structures predate any civilization with a handed down historical record, and realize society completely collapsed at some point. It isn't hard to deduce with even the scantest of knowledge.
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There isn't anything particular special about the civilization itself. The significance lies in the fact that mankind had global organization, communication, sophisticated society - and lost it all.
The mythos here has a lot to do with the origination of mystery cults, ways of thinking about governance, preserving society and knowledge, and so on.
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Metaphorically true. Previous civilization, collapse, re-emergence, a splintering of "gods" (conscious people), and a war between them
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>You want many, many facts and few big ideas in proportion (or you're probably reaching for conclusions without much surety).
So, if I understand correctly, the basic premise that history as taught is not necessarily the way things actually played out. This is especially true in relation to what we refer to as the timer period in which Mesopotamia is supposedly considered to be the cradle of civilization.
Sites like Gobleki Tepi point to much older civilizations and even have evidence that grain was domesticated as far back as ~12-14k years ago.
You also seem to imply that there was at least one age in the past during which consciousness was attained and maintained by all but due to a catastrophe (asteroid impact the first one?) that has been lost on a widespread basis. --> responds yes
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Question: >>84648497 (OP) #
Dogon.
Hopi.
Swiss.
Tibetan.
These cultures have something in common. Is this commonality meaningful?
Response:
Yes, things like this are very significant. You can find evidence all over the place of active trade, communication between the hemispheres long before Columbus. That alone debunks the master narrative of history you were taught growing up. It's definitely worth getting a better sense of history as it occurred and figuring out why you've been taught lies.
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Yes, there was a lost global civilization and major worldwide flooding. The OT stories are not literally true, but based on truth.
Asteroid impact > major climate shifts, crop failure, loss of societal order, etc.
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Was the Pyramid intended to be some form of Harmonic Oscillator intended solely to increase the coherence of members inside its perimeter?
Response: >>100407394 #
Not solely.
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The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind
TL;DR all traces of consciousness disappeared for a period of time *after* civilization emerged (although you won't find that in this book, because it follows the traditional historical myth of a singular rise of civilization rather than rise, collapse, and rise again)
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Is this 'loss of consciousness' theory explicitly outlined in any published works? From what I understand of your previous answers, it is only alluded to peripherally in 'The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind', correct me if I'm wrong.
That's the most explicit public and straightforward treatment of the topic, but you can see it is clearly present in the mystery schools and major religions among other places.
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We had similar line of inquiry yesterday and I recommended Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind as a good starting point to appreciate that, yes, man did fall away from consciousness in the past.
It's a truly remarkable thing to note in that most people regard it as an innate phenomena but the evidence indicates otherwise, that it was possessed, lost, and found again.
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The big picture is, very roughly, that consciousness was loss in catastrophic events in the past. Evidence of civilization remained, consciousness was regained, people realized that it existed before and was lost. Mystery schools form to try to protect against that happening again but are eventually corrupted by ideas like the need for masters and slaves, therefore justifying an effort to keep most people unenlightened, unconscious, downtrodden. We're a splinter group opposed to that and seek the highest elevation of each individual.
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For the most part, the interconnectedness of minds inhibits individuality. It can be a useful and potent tool, but it also has significant drawbacks that are holding people and society down. Ill intent actors use their awareness of this to aggravate these problems.
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You're really overplaying the significance of ancient deity worship. That's not what these people are doing.
The power structures that exist in society today are a result of a global loss of consciousness after civilization collapsed 10,000+ years ago.
The first to emerge as conscious formed secret societies. At first, this was meant as a means to preserve their awareness. It later became corrupted by the idea that the knowledge should be hidden in order to rule over the masses, and much of what you see today derives from that.
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Does the implication of God, son, and the holy spirit go towards all being a singular voice inside a person's head? Question is a result of you mentioning the book on mental bicameralism. Responds yes
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Question: I read the book and got The Julian Jaynes collection too.
It seems we're moving back towards a lack of consciousness. The gods we receive our thoughts from aren't the stone idols anymore, but the TV idols and the ideas are spread through the masses by groupthink and the need for conformity.
The conscious critical thinkers are vilified and ostracized.
He responds yes...
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Meditation is useful in moderation and with purpose, like LSD, or taking a vacation. No magic keys.
The superego isn't something you want to kill necessarily, but you do need to be brave enough to confront all of your fears, desires, biases, assumptions. People struggle mightily here.
It is theoretically possible to derive energy from vacuum fluctuations. As a useful technology, this is a long, long way off.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 8:50 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Ancient History/Spirituality:
Question: what to read to learn more about consciousness
Response: You should study historical linguistics, specifically the origins of novel concepts. Things that we take for granted today like romantic love between a man and a woman had no reflection in the language until about 2500 years ago. It is a rather remarkable thing given how natural and innate most people think such an idea is now.
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You should learn to say multiple angles at once. Symbolism is an induction into this skill.
In terms of the Christian religion, the symbol associated with consciousness is heaven, not the deity.
Bloodlines are a bit overhyped. Think more in terms of correlation than causation. If you are raised by wealthy people, you tend to be wealthy. This kind of an effect.
Yes, yes.
There is no doubt that some people are less inclined to do good, but we view bad outcomes as largely a result of squelching dissent involved in more traditional modes of governance, rather than inherent to human nature.
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Symbol manipulation is very important to consciousness. Especially the ability to interpret symbols in multiple ways. One of the consequences of a tendency towards coherence is an undermining of agency, so it's important to be able to simultaneously see multiple interpretations of the same symbol. It gives you room to create agency in spite of coherence.
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Question:Forgive me for not thoroughly reading all of your previous threads; I have begun reading Origin of Consciousness and the Breakdown of the Bi-cranial Mind as you recommended earlier.
You have used and referenced Christianity in previous threads and how it adequately portrays the understanding of consciousness. I find that many modern day Christians are indeed unable to see past the metaphors, such as interpreting Christ as being physically reborn as opposed to spiritually awakened, and the second coming of Christ being an actual physical phenomena, as opposed to a world-wide spiritual awakening of the spirit of awareness and consciousness that his second birth represents.
Would you mind elaborating on this awaking through other religions, such as Buddhism? As these matters make more sense to me in a Buddhist context, I would greatly appreciate it.
If nothing else, thank you for your time and threads; they are quite fun to read.
His response:
Combine the idea of coherence in consciousness with a very popular figure. Their identity is literally passed down through the generations. As someone with agency, it's possible to adopt an identity that exists in the collective memory. You can carry this sort of thing into thinking of a second coming of the Christian messenger as being a quite literal thing without invoking ideas like God inseminating a random woman.
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>How much of our world history is misunderstood or misrepresented for what it really is? And for that matter how significant is the past as a ressource for learning more and better understanding the larger picture?
The grasp of history is pitiful and the importance almost impossible to overstate.
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Coherence effect. It's physically and mentally taxing to see things differently than most other people do.
This is actually the origin of why "elites" seem to be so obsessed with symbolism. If you have your own hidden interpretation of the symbols, you can ease the burdens of coherence by sharing them with the masses so that the representation of the abstract is the same, but only the interpreted significance differs.
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For the most part, the flow of particular facts is unencumbered. It's big pictures that are suppressed.
You can go read the geological literature and deduce global catastrophic events 10-15k years ago, or look at the evidence of water erosion in Egypt combined with knowing there hasn't been enough rain there since they were allegedly built.
All of this information is available to your scholarly pursuits, but you should take care not to accept unfounded assumptions.
Basically, do the opposite of the way they taught you history. Most people get big picture ideas but very few facts to back them up. You want many, many facts and few big ideas in proportion (or you're probably reaching for conclusions without much surety).
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Q: Race/Religion?
Caucasian. Not sure there is well-defined vocabulary in the public domain for the second answer.
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Question:Are all races created equal? Does Hell exist? Does Heaven exist?
Response:
>>100409434 #
We believe in individuals, not skin colors.
The kingdom is within you.
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Not aware of any good name for my beliefs in the public domain.
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Our interpretation of Christianity does not resemble anything you will find in the churches
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We feel guided by a hidden hand, divinely inspired at times. Plans laid better than our own merits might reasonably have produced on their own, always aware of crucial dangers before they become our undoing, etc.
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Q: Alright, I'll bite.
What's your organizations view on Christianity?
Response: >>80680756 #
Symbolically, highly important.
Literally? We lament the silliness.
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Christianity is, symbolically, the inversion of the old world order; the antithesis of the US regime. It is a first of its kind religion in this respect and of utmost significance to world history. You should know and be familiar with the Bible but it has been manipulated, pruned, incorrectly taught, and so on. We recommend Thomas and Mary, both of which were removed from the canon for being too straightforward for the old order's tolerance.
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All religion to the extent that it is meaningful must be interpreted esoterically. Do you think a virgin birth is literal? No, of course not. It's so silly that it is meant to provoke you to question what the symbolism could be.
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No. Jesus was one of us. You have it backwards. We approximately reject the old testament and embrace the new; the old world order being the opposite.
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Jesus was one of us, yes.
As to the bloodlines, it is symbolic. The merger of the house of Judah and Levi through Mary and Joseph represent worldly and spiritual power combining and therefore the common thread that has been presented throughout here: the acquisition of agency and use of it for good.
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Jesus? -> Actual person existed. Did not literally emerge from the womb of a virgin or anything like that of course. There is a lot to learn from the symbolism of the story.
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Question: In your opinion, who was/is the most intelligent, enlightened human that ever existed (or at least, that left some trace of their existence)?
>>86813620 #
Requiring both traits, probably Jesus.
Franklin had a comparable intelligence and Washington a comparable level of enlightenment, and were the two key figures in the American revolution which is the only movement that will ever be seen to have comparable significance to what Jesus did.
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Yes. Jesus didn't die on the literal wooden cross. He was taken down alive, nursed to health by Mary, and left the region.
Dying on the cross is a metaphor. He stood at the intersection of the elite and the masses, the crossroad and remained there.
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Question: I read the gospel of Mary and Thomas and was curious about whether somebody has the whole gospel of Mary in his archives and wont share it for political reasons?
Do you know more of the gospel than there is official out there because her gospel seems pretty important to me for becoming enlighted?
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Yes. The Vatican has complete copies and has killed to keep them secret.
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Question: >>80632307 (OP) #
The father is on earth , yes?
Response: Yes
Question: what to read to learn more about consciousness
Response: You should study historical linguistics, specifically the origins of novel concepts. Things that we take for granted today like romantic love between a man and a woman had no reflection in the language until about 2500 years ago. It is a rather remarkable thing given how natural and innate most people think such an idea is now.
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You should learn to say multiple angles at once. Symbolism is an induction into this skill.
In terms of the Christian religion, the symbol associated with consciousness is heaven, not the deity.
Bloodlines are a bit overhyped. Think more in terms of correlation than causation. If you are raised by wealthy people, you tend to be wealthy. This kind of an effect.
Yes, yes.
There is no doubt that some people are less inclined to do good, but we view bad outcomes as largely a result of squelching dissent involved in more traditional modes of governance, rather than inherent to human nature.
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Symbol manipulation is very important to consciousness. Especially the ability to interpret symbols in multiple ways. One of the consequences of a tendency towards coherence is an undermining of agency, so it's important to be able to simultaneously see multiple interpretations of the same symbol. It gives you room to create agency in spite of coherence.
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Question:Forgive me for not thoroughly reading all of your previous threads; I have begun reading Origin of Consciousness and the Breakdown of the Bi-cranial Mind as you recommended earlier.
You have used and referenced Christianity in previous threads and how it adequately portrays the understanding of consciousness. I find that many modern day Christians are indeed unable to see past the metaphors, such as interpreting Christ as being physically reborn as opposed to spiritually awakened, and the second coming of Christ being an actual physical phenomena, as opposed to a world-wide spiritual awakening of the spirit of awareness and consciousness that his second birth represents.
Would you mind elaborating on this awaking through other religions, such as Buddhism? As these matters make more sense to me in a Buddhist context, I would greatly appreciate it.
If nothing else, thank you for your time and threads; they are quite fun to read.
His response:
Combine the idea of coherence in consciousness with a very popular figure. Their identity is literally passed down through the generations. As someone with agency, it's possible to adopt an identity that exists in the collective memory. You can carry this sort of thing into thinking of a second coming of the Christian messenger as being a quite literal thing without invoking ideas like God inseminating a random woman.
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>How much of our world history is misunderstood or misrepresented for what it really is? And for that matter how significant is the past as a ressource for learning more and better understanding the larger picture?
The grasp of history is pitiful and the importance almost impossible to overstate.
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Coherence effect. It's physically and mentally taxing to see things differently than most other people do.
This is actually the origin of why "elites" seem to be so obsessed with symbolism. If you have your own hidden interpretation of the symbols, you can ease the burdens of coherence by sharing them with the masses so that the representation of the abstract is the same, but only the interpreted significance differs.
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For the most part, the flow of particular facts is unencumbered. It's big pictures that are suppressed.
You can go read the geological literature and deduce global catastrophic events 10-15k years ago, or look at the evidence of water erosion in Egypt combined with knowing there hasn't been enough rain there since they were allegedly built.
All of this information is available to your scholarly pursuits, but you should take care not to accept unfounded assumptions.
Basically, do the opposite of the way they taught you history. Most people get big picture ideas but very few facts to back them up. You want many, many facts and few big ideas in proportion (or you're probably reaching for conclusions without much surety).
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Q: Race/Religion?
Caucasian. Not sure there is well-defined vocabulary in the public domain for the second answer.
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Question:Are all races created equal? Does Hell exist? Does Heaven exist?
Response:
>>100409434 #
We believe in individuals, not skin colors.
The kingdom is within you.
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Not aware of any good name for my beliefs in the public domain.
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Our interpretation of Christianity does not resemble anything you will find in the churches
----
We feel guided by a hidden hand, divinely inspired at times. Plans laid better than our own merits might reasonably have produced on their own, always aware of crucial dangers before they become our undoing, etc.
—
Q: Alright, I'll bite.
What's your organizations view on Christianity?
Response: >>80680756 #
Symbolically, highly important.
Literally? We lament the silliness.
—
Christianity is, symbolically, the inversion of the old world order; the antithesis of the US regime. It is a first of its kind religion in this respect and of utmost significance to world history. You should know and be familiar with the Bible but it has been manipulated, pruned, incorrectly taught, and so on. We recommend Thomas and Mary, both of which were removed from the canon for being too straightforward for the old order's tolerance.
—
All religion to the extent that it is meaningful must be interpreted esoterically. Do you think a virgin birth is literal? No, of course not. It's so silly that it is meant to provoke you to question what the symbolism could be.
—
No. Jesus was one of us. You have it backwards. We approximately reject the old testament and embrace the new; the old world order being the opposite.
—
Jesus was one of us, yes.
As to the bloodlines, it is symbolic. The merger of the house of Judah and Levi through Mary and Joseph represent worldly and spiritual power combining and therefore the common thread that has been presented throughout here: the acquisition of agency and use of it for good.
—
Jesus? -> Actual person existed. Did not literally emerge from the womb of a virgin or anything like that of course. There is a lot to learn from the symbolism of the story.
—
Question: In your opinion, who was/is the most intelligent, enlightened human that ever existed (or at least, that left some trace of their existence)?
>>86813620 #
Requiring both traits, probably Jesus.
Franklin had a comparable intelligence and Washington a comparable level of enlightenment, and were the two key figures in the American revolution which is the only movement that will ever be seen to have comparable significance to what Jesus did.
—
Yes. Jesus didn't die on the literal wooden cross. He was taken down alive, nursed to health by Mary, and left the region.
Dying on the cross is a metaphor. He stood at the intersection of the elite and the masses, the crossroad and remained there.
—
Question: I read the gospel of Mary and Thomas and was curious about whether somebody has the whole gospel of Mary in his archives and wont share it for political reasons?
Do you know more of the gospel than there is official out there because her gospel seems pretty important to me for becoming enlighted?
Response: #
Yes. The Vatican has complete copies and has killed to keep them secret.
—
Question: >>80632307 (OP) #
The father is on earth , yes?
Response: Yes
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