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re: Hospitals are overwhelmed!
Posted on 4/10/20 at 4:55 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 4/10/20 at 4:55 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:Because not as many people are sick.
Why aren’t they overwhelmed?
quote:I don’t know.
Would they be overwhelmed if we continued life as if the virus didn’t exist?
I do know that the initial models were bad because the data was bad (something everyone knew at the time too).
Would they have been overwhelmed if we hadn’t shut down every single town’s retail and addressed each town/region differently?
I mean, imagine how much worse it could be in LA if they hadn’t forced all the stores and restaurants in Bunkie to close.
Would the hospitals be hemorrhaging money, especially smaller rural ones and ones that treat the underprivileged, if they wouldn’t have been forced to stop all other services by governmental decree?
Would those hospitals have had to fire a bunch of staff because they were preparing for a crisis that never materialized?
This post was edited on 4/10/20 at 4:57 pm
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Posted on 4/10/20 at 4:57 pm to stout
I work in a hospital in downtown New Orleans. I see the same 5 people every day. No one new. Ever.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 4:57 pm to stout
quote:
It sure is mysterious that all other deaths normally dealt with in the USA disappeared while COVID skyrocketed. Gunshot death? Nah...COVID!
What? You think COVID deaths aren’t real. Tell me how the rest of the world is in on this conspiracy
Posted on 4/10/20 at 4:57 pm to stout
GF is a nurse and has been fighting to stay at work and not be flexed off.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 4:58 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Yes, but the hospitals are empty which is resulting in job/hourly cuts to go along with the 20 million other jobs we have already thrown away.
This post was edited on 4/10/20 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 4/10/20 at 4:58 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:
Why aren’t they overwhelmed?
Because the models sucked.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 4:59 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:
We did what most people said we had to do in order to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed.
They didn’t just not get overwhelmed. They’re nowhere close to overwhelmed.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 4:59 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:The numbers you were sold were so far out of whack that we never should have taken them seriously.
We did what most people said we had to do in order to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed.
So, hospitals didn’t get overwhelmed.
The reduction in estimated deaths was beyond the scope of what any social distancing could have performed.
Did social distancing help? Absolutely.
You know what else helped? Actual data for the models.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:00 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:
We did what most people said we had to do in order to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed.
So, hospitals didn’t get overwhelmed.
There is no way to effectively measure if the draconian measures we have implemented changed the outcomes. The models have been wrong all along. It's not as black and white as you and the other with casters make it out to be.
You are also discounting the deaths that have/will result because of the draconian measures. I have an uncle that has had a few strokes before this. He can't even get to the hospital right now and is "visiting" his doctor via Zoom. It is a very valid argument to make that this will shorten some people's life spans just based on not being able to get the medical attention they need.
That is before you account for the long term economic impact and how it will damage many lives including health and deaths.
IMO we traded potentially saving a few more lives than what a bad flu season takes out for many lives down the road.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:00 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:
Tell me how the rest of the world is in on this conspiracy
Not a conspiracy, but certainly a giant overreaction. A metric ton of prevention is an ounce of cure...
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:00 pm to Scruffy
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Would they have been overwhelmed if we hadn’t shut down every single town’s retail and addressed each town/region differently?
I don’t disagree with you. I said months ago that there would be lockdowns (and was laughed at for that), but that the lockdowns should only be in hotspots and that the rest of the country should go on as they normally do. Then adjust lockdowns as needed and only if needed.
But this idea that the virus isn’t that bad because we didn’t overwhelm the system while everyone stays inside for a month is such a weak take. And everyone here gobbles it up.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:01 pm to stout
quote:
Also interesting is that I saw a graph earlier that NY is dealing with fewer deaths per day right now even when you include COVID deaths than they normally do. I wish I would have saved it.
Not too surprising really. Far far fewer traumas when people aren't out and about.
Also, not sure if the comparison is against an average daily rate or specific to this time of the year. We're exiting out of flu season.
The conclusion may still be that NY is having fewer deaths than on average but i don't know. Again, just depends on where they're pulling "average" from.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:01 pm to Flats
Exactly.
The models were complete garbage and are sending us to 20% unemployment literally overnight.
Some of these job losses are ironically in healthcare.
The models were complete garbage and are sending us to 20% unemployment literally overnight.
Some of these job losses are ironically in healthcare.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:02 pm to Dr Rosenrosen
quote:
Exactly. The models were complete garbage and are sending us to 20% unemployment literally overnight.
The models were based on us doing nothing.
Why is that so hard to understand?
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:02 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:It isn’t weak at all if you consider the initial data/models/estimates were abysmal.
But this idea that the virus isn’t that bad because we didn’t overwhelm the system while everyone stays inside for a month is such a weak take. And everyone here gobbles it up.
My favorite example is Alabama.
They had a reduction of 90%, 9000 to ~900.
You know science.
That is an impossibility. You can’t even pull that off with welding people in their homes.
North Korea could pull that off though.
This post was edited on 4/10/20 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:03 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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What? You think COVID deaths aren’t real. Tell me how the rest of the world is in on this conspiracy
My post was sarcasm with the gunshot wound but Dr Brix has said that anyone who dies with COVID, no matter what else may be wrong, is counted as a COVID death. She even said they may revise this down the road when looking back but that is how they are counting it for now.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:03 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:
But this idea that the virus isn’t that bad because we didn’t overwhelm the system while everyone stays inside for a month is such a weak take. And everyone here gobbles it up.
100%.
The whole point of quarantine wasn't to eradicate the virus... it was to keep the hospital system from being overwhelmed. Quarantining is working.
It would be interesting to see a current national average census ... plus what an average national census would be if we included elective surgeries and see if we're above the threshold for hospitals.
This post was edited on 4/10/20 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:04 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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What? You think COVID deaths aren’t real. Tell me how the rest of the world is in on this conspiracy
Rest of the world quarantine the susceptible. The rest of society marches on. I heard Dr OZ on the radio say we will never eat at a restaurant the same, the number of folks let in an establishment will be based on social distancing numbers as opposed to fire marshal numbers. That we won't sit next to each other at concerts and sports events. I mean wtf..yea people are dying, but we all have that appointment. You think Ozzy was scared to play in China when there were outbreaks of whatever?? I mean he ate a f'in bats head.
Anyway, I can't with this stuff anymore. People die and thats like some new concept. I seriously gonna find a place in the hills and look at the mountains till I die and get away from this madness.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:05 pm to Scruffy
Why is that an impossibility? They locked down their state when they probably only had a handful of cases.
Again the model was predicting if the virus ran its course without any intervention.
I wouldn’t have locked down Alabama before they even had significant cases. I agree that is unnecessary and extreme. But it says nothing about how dangerous the virus is.
Again the model was predicting if the virus ran its course without any intervention.
I wouldn’t have locked down Alabama before they even had significant cases. I agree that is unnecessary and extreme. But it says nothing about how dangerous the virus is.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 5:05 pm to Scruffy
"Never waste a good crisis"
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