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re: How did we wind up at *ODDS* with Iran? Scott Horton explains.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 12:27 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Posted on 7/10/25 at 12:27 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
When Iran found out Reagan was secretly supplying Iran and Iraq with weapons during their 8 year war. In total 500,000 people died and cost over a $1 trillion.
Reagan made a secret campaign deal with Ruhollah Khomeini. If Khomeini would wait to release the embassy hostages until he was president he would supply Iran with weapons through/from Israel. Another secret deal for hostages in Lebanon all came out in the Iran-Contra affair.
Reagan agreed with Khomeini he would not sell arms to Iraq, but gave Iraq billions of dollars in aide to by weapons through intermediaries. For example Iraq spent over $250 million on Bell helicopters for “agriculture” purposes.
In the 1980’s Israel and Iran a had secret alliances.
Almost all the problems can be traced back to oil, but blamed on religion.
Reagan made a secret campaign deal with Ruhollah Khomeini. If Khomeini would wait to release the embassy hostages until he was president he would supply Iran with weapons through/from Israel. Another secret deal for hostages in Lebanon all came out in the Iran-Contra affair.
Reagan agreed with Khomeini he would not sell arms to Iraq, but gave Iraq billions of dollars in aide to by weapons through intermediaries. For example Iraq spent over $250 million on Bell helicopters for “agriculture” purposes.
In the 1980’s Israel and Iran a had secret alliances.
Almost all the problems can be traced back to oil, but blamed on religion.
This post was edited on 7/10/25 at 12:43 pm
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Posted on 7/10/25 at 12:34 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Probably by bombing them
Posted on 7/10/25 at 12:51 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
We've been at "ODDS" with Islam since before we were a country. Look up Christopher Hitchins commentary on Thomas Jefferson and the Barbary pirates. We aren't the problem, as much as marxist democrats and libertarians want it to be all our fault.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 9:21 pm to 3down10
quote:Because you aren't getting it and you keep getting off track from the main topic
You just keep repeating the same few talking points over and over
quote:When did this happen? When did you "debunk" the fact of Islamic terrorism or who the infidels are or the danger of Iranian weapons being connected to terrorists? I don't recall you debunking ANY of that.
every time they get debunked
quote:You don't understand how scholarship works.
you either claim it's irrelevant or that there is no proof
1. You made a claim that was false
2. I corrected you
3. You tried to rebut with conspiracy theories that aren't germane to the topic and aren't even factual anyway
4. I provided further substantiation to the points which you ignored
How did you make it through school? This is what should have happened
1. You make stupid claims about infidels
2. You get corrected
3. You research and find out, what do you know, you were wrong. I guess terrorists ARE actually a priority and we can't let Iran supply the terrorists. I guess I'll move the Israel conspiracies lower on the totem pole
quote:Otherwise known as facts. Ok. Keep being ignorant and saying that you're not an infidel and that Israelis who have lived near you your whole life are more dangerous than actual terrorists who have actually attacked us
propaganda videos
Posted on 7/10/25 at 9:25 pm to 3down10
quote:What is wrong with you?
Who btw, never even fricking attacked us to start with
September 11, 2001 (9/11) Attacks: While executed by al-Qaeda operatives, the attacks were launched from Afghanistan while under Taliban rule, leading to the US-led invasion.
The US War in Afghanistan (2001-2021): Over the two decades of the war, the Taliban insurgency was responsible for the deaths of thousands of American troops and contractors.
Targeting American Personnel and Facilities: The Taliban consistently targeted US military and civilian personnel, as well as Western interests in Afghanistan.
High-Profile Attacks in Kabul: The Taliban conducted several large-scale attacks in the capital, including:
2015 Kabul Attack Spree: A series of attacks between August 7-10, 2015, killed over 60 people, including one NATO serviceman in an attack on Camp Integrity.
2019 Attacks: On May 8, 2019, they attacked a USAID-funded aid organization, killing four civilians and a policeman. In September, a suicide car bomb killed 12, including an American paratrooper and a Romanian soldier.
Specific Campaigns Against Foreigners: The Taliban launched numerous one-sided attacks specifically against US-led coalition forces in Afghanistan, particularly in the lead-up to the 2020 Doha Agreement.
The Haqqani Network: A major Taliban-affiliated group, the Haqqani Network, was designated a Foreign Terrorist Organization by the US in 2012 due to its involvement in attacks against US military and civilian personnel and Western interests
Posted on 7/10/25 at 9:30 pm to 3down10
quote:Prove it
They were CIA/Mossad assets
Posted on 7/10/25 at 9:36 pm to 3down10
quote:Prove it
And it's completely false
quote:How scholarly of you
I don't give a shite what you believe
quote:I'm telling you facts. Facts that you won't corroborate. Don't bother with my "propaganda." Go find out for yourself if you're wrong.
you are the one trying to fear monger me
1. Who exactly are the infidels? Why is it important?
2. What exactly would happen if Islamic terrorists were to acquire a nuclear weapon?
3. Where were Atta and crew born? What were their beliefs? What were they trying to accomplish? Same questions for all of the other terrorist attackers over the last 3 or 4 decades.
4. Who might terrorists realistically get a nuclear weapon from?
quote:How interesting. Tell me about the Israeli nuclear threat. Go ahead. Lay it all out for us
Israel already has nukes
Posted on 7/10/25 at 9:37 pm to MizzouBS
quote:Jihadists hated infidels WAY WAY WAYYYYYY before any of this
Almost all the problems can be traced back to oil, but blamed on religion
This post was edited on 7/10/25 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 7/10/25 at 10:22 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:
September 11, 2001 (9/11) Attacks: While executed by al-Qaeda operatives, the attacks were launched from Afghanistan while under Taliban rule, leading to the US-led invasion.
The US War in Afghanistan (2001-2021): Over the two decades of the war, the Taliban insurgency was responsible for the deaths of thousands of American troops and contractors.
Targeting American Personnel and Facilities: The Taliban consistently targeted US military and civilian personnel, as well as Western interests in Afghanistan.
High-Profile Attacks in Kabul: The Taliban conducted several large-scale attacks in the capital, including:
2015 Kabul Attack Spree: A series of attacks between August 7-10, 2015, killed over 60 people, including one NATO serviceman in an attack on Camp Integrity.
2019 Attacks: On May 8, 2019, they attacked a USAID-funded aid organization, killing four civilians and a policeman. In September, a suicide car bomb killed 12, including an American paratrooper and a Romanian soldier.
Specific Campaigns Against Foreigners: The Taliban launched numerous one-sided attacks specifically against US-led coalition forces in Afghanistan, particularly in the lead-up to the 2020 Doha Agreement.
The Haqqani Network: A major Taliban-affiliated group, the Haqqani Network, was designated a Foreign Terrorist Organization by the US in 2012 due to its involvement in attacks against US military and civilian personnel and Western interests
Israeli and US intelligence agencies carried out 9/11.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:09 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:
Prove it
I'm not a court of law, I don't need to "prove it". I can look at evidence and things not allowed in court and make my own fully informed opinion. I can't make the government do anything about these things anymore than I can make them release the Epstein files, or have admitted the CIA/Mossad was behind the JFK assassination.
As already mentioned, nanothermite was used in the attacks. Only 3 countries have access to it as it's a highly regulated - The US, India and Poland. And then it's restricted to only certain places within them.
A study in 2009 found evidence it was used.
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:13 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:
Prove it
Don't have to.
quote:
How scholarly of you
Yes, it's called science. Your beliefs do not change the facts.
quote:
I'm telling you facts. Facts that you won't corroborate. Don't bother with my "propaganda." Go find out for yourself if you're wrong.
1. Who exactly are the infidels? Why is it important?
2. What exactly would happen if Islamic terrorists were to acquire a nuclear weapon?
3. Where were Atta and crew born? What were their beliefs? What were they trying to accomplish? Same questions for all of the other terrorist attackers over the last 3 or 4 decades.
4. Who might terrorists realistically get a nuclear weapon from?
Israel and the US carried out 9/11. The foundation of your arguments are meaningless.
quote:
How interesting. Tell me about the Israeli nuclear threat. Go ahead. Lay it all out for us
You laid it out.
A country that has used multiple terrorists attacks against us has a secret nuclear program that refuses to allow inspectors.
This post was edited on 7/10/25 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 7/12/25 at 10:53 pm to 3down10
quote:Atta and crew were neither american nor Israeli
Israeli and US intelligence agencies carried out 9/11
Posted on 7/12/25 at 10:58 pm to 3down10
quote:Then your contention has no meaning despite you trotting it around like it's a fact
I don't need to "prove it"
quote:Opinion. As in subjective. As in not factual
I can look at evidence and things not allowed in court and make my own fully informed opinion
quote:NIST Findings:
nanothermite was used in the attacks
The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), in its investigation of the collapse, concluded that the towers' destruction was caused by the structural damage from the impacts and the subsequent fires, which weakened the steel and led to the collapse.
Lack of Supporting Evidence:
Scientific analyses conducted by NIST and other researchers have not found conclusive evidence to support the presence of significant quantities of explosives or thermite in the debris.
Alternative Explanations:
NIST and others have offered alternative explanations for the molten metal and iron-rich microspheres, attributing them to the high temperatures generated by the fires and the melting of steel.
Peer Review Concerns:
The paper claiming the discovery of nano-thermite in the dust was published in a journal with a controversial history, and the editor resigned after its publication.
Even if the US were involved, even if nanothermite was one of the factors, it doesn't change that bombing Iran was completely justified
Posted on 7/12/25 at 11:00 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:
NIST Findings:
The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), in its investigation of the collapse, concluded that the towers' destruction was caused by the structural damage from the impacts and the subsequent fires, which weakened the steel and led to the collapse.
You're just an official story repeating bot. The NIST investigation has been debunked multiple times. It was part of the coverup, just like the Warren Commission was part of the coverup with JFK.
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Posted on 7/12/25 at 11:03 pm to 3down10
quote:Are you 2 years old? You are making judgments on our Iran actions based on your subjective opinion formed from conspiracy theories. Surely you can see how retarded that is
Don't have to
quote:Saying "I don't care what you believe" is not "science" genius
Yes, it's called science
quote:You don't have any. You have a conspiracy theory that has nothing to do with the discussion. We justifiably bombed Iran. Your beliefs do not change the facts
Your beliefs do not change the facts
quote:Still untrue. MAYBE they were assets. But that doesn't change in the slightest that the Iran bombings were totally justified
Israel and the US carried out 9/11
quote:I'm telling you why we bombed Iran and why it was justified. Your beliefs do not change the facts
The foundation of your arguments are meaningless
quote:What are these "multiple" attacks? You haven't even listed one yet.
A country that has used multiple terrorists attacks against us
Posted on 7/12/25 at 11:06 pm to 3down10
quote:I'm telling you facts
You're just an official story repeating bot
quote:he paper claiming the discovery of nano-thermite in the dust was published in a journal with a controversial history, and the editor resigned after its publication.
The NIST investigation has been debunked multiple times
Even if the US were involved, even if nanothermite was one of the factors, it doesn't change that bombing Iran was completely justified
quote:Even if this conspiracy theory is correct, it doesn't diminsh the justifed bombings of the Iranian nuclear facilities
It was part of the coverup, just like the Warren Commission was part of the coverup with JFK
Posted on 7/12/25 at 11:08 pm to 3down10
quote:What I have mentioned about jidhadism, terrorism, infidels, etc has all been well known for hundreds and hundreds of years.
3down10
Your response is conspiracy theory speculation that is only one perspective of several regarding 9/11 and doesn't even diminish the justification for us bombing Iranian nuclear capabilities
Posted on 7/12/25 at 11:12 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:
Still untrue. MAYBE they were assets. But that doesn't change in the slightest that the Iran bombings were totally justified
You were the one who used 9/11 to justify Iran.
It was done by Israel, not Iran.
Everything else you do is just repeat the official story and claim anything else is false. You aren't worth a shite guy.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 11:16 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:
I'm telling you facts
No you aren't. You're telling me to ignore my own eyes and logic.
quote:
Even if this conspiracy theory is correct, it doesn't diminsh the justifed bombings of the Iranian nuclear facilities
You claimed 9/11 was done by terrorists and that's why they needed to be dealt with.
In truth it was done by Zionists and blamed on Muslims to get Christians and Muslims fighting each other for the benefit of Israel.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 11:17 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:
What I have mentioned about jidhadism, terrorism, infidels, etc has all been well known for hundreds and hundreds of years.
Your response is conspiracy theory speculation that is only one perspective of several regarding 9/11 and doesn't even diminish the justification for us bombing Iranian nuclear capabilities
I've known 9/11 was an inside job for 24 years and have wanted to be wrong about it.
I'm not.
It would be so nice if the official story wasn't bullshite, but it is.
This post was edited on 7/12/25 at 11:18 pm
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