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re: IF Trump did make his request for personal gain would that change anything for you?

Posted on 9/27/19 at 5:37 am to
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68525 posts
Posted on 9/27/19 at 5:37 am to
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IF Trump did make his request for personal gain would that change anything for you?

He didn't
/thread
Posted by PhDoogan
Member since Sep 2018
14977 posts
Posted on 9/27/19 at 5:43 am to
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So far I’m 3-3






I see what you did there.

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Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62557 posts
Posted on 9/27/19 at 5:50 am to
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He has a duty via an agreement with Ukraine to expose corruption.



...and a responsibility to the USA to make sure that funds going to Ukraine aren't being secretly funneled back to individuals or worse the democratic party.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/27/19 at 8:00 am to
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Go ahead and send this to whomever you'd like to get the talking points you need.


I don't see the parallel here other than the 2nd paragaph which notes that Ukraine officials were concerned that if they cooperated with Mueller/in the Manafort investigation the Trump administration would withhold financial/military aid.

That is a bit concerning.
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
21240 posts
Posted on 9/27/19 at 8:06 am to
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My man, these sycophants will excuse ANYTHING he does. Take a gander at 99% of the threads and up/down voting trends. This board is a straight DJT circle jerk. It’s pathetic. Somehow PT Barnum is now the “BEST POTUS EVER!!!” One of the greatest narcissists to have ever walked the earth and staunch Democratic supporter is now the voice of all patriots and conservatives. Puke


Lol, well I see one of our resident pussies has opened his mouth again.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/27/19 at 8:12 am to
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The problem with the premise is nearly ANYTHING Trump says to a foreign leader, and ANY DEAL he oversees with a foreign country could be fit to that standard.

E.g.,
Xi concedes to Trump and consents to a deal with China . . . certainly in terms of the 2020 campaign that would be of value. So in the TDS world, Trump would have to reject a new China deal on that basis


That's a fair point. That would clearly be trade/foreign policy... per Trumps lawyer this situation is not.

My take is that it was swampy but there just isn't enough to warrant impeachment. That's partly because the voters can remove him if they so choose.
This post was edited on 9/27/19 at 8:16 am
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/27/19 at 8:14 am to
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He didn't
/thread


But would your opinion of Trump change if he was using his position to the benefit of himself personally/benefit his 2020 campaign?
This post was edited on 9/27/19 at 8:28 am
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
17424 posts
Posted on 9/27/19 at 8:17 am to
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Stupid people do tend to reply to me often.


So everyone else is the problem... lol

Typical
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14941 posts
Posted on 9/27/19 at 8:27 am to
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He has a duty via an agreement with Ukraine to expose corruption.
Why don't you try reading the agreement.

He has a duty to assist Ukraine in any of it's investigations. Not to persuade Ukraine to initiate an investigation.

That's why the 3 Senators who wrote Ukraine to admonish them for not cooperating with Mueller's investigation were within their rights, because they were requesting cooperation with an ongoing U.S. investigation.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
87927 posts
Posted on 9/27/19 at 8:28 am to
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That's why the 3 Senators who wrote Ukraine to admonish them for not cooperating with Mueller's investigation were within their rights, because they were requesting cooperation with an ongoing U.S. investigation.
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
12572 posts
Posted on 9/27/19 at 8:28 am to
No he’s not exposing corruption
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
75392 posts
Posted on 9/27/19 at 8:29 am to
If Obama was in on framing DJT would you really care?
Just a hypothetical
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14941 posts
Posted on 9/27/19 at 8:42 am to
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You have something to say to these liberal governors and mayors who declare sanctuaries??
For the tenth time. Local or state LEOs don't have any duty to cooperate with ICE unless they have a written agreement with ICE which spells out what they are going to do to assist ICE.

Are they required to build more jail cells and hire more officers using local funds to assist ICE with it's operation? No.

Not only do local LEOs not have a duty to assist ICE, they have no authority to enforce federal immigration laws unless they have training and are designated as ICE authorized LEOs.

That's why Sheriff Arpaio in Arizona was sanctioned by the Arizona Court.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
87927 posts
Posted on 9/27/19 at 8:45 am to
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Are they required to build more jail cells and hire more officers using local funds to assist ICE with it's operation? No.
It's like no federal funds flow to the local and state LEOs in your world.
Posted by Seeker
Member since Jul 2011
2133 posts
Posted on 9/27/19 at 8:56 am to
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He has a duty to assist Ukraine in any of it's investigations. Not to persuade Ukraine to initiate an investigation.


Again I really do not understand the problem here. It seems pretty clear that Joe Biden abused his position as V.P. to ensure 1) that his son does not get prosecuted by the Ukraine government by threatening to withhold 1 billion dollars 2) His family reportedly made a boat load of money while committing a crime, which is why he is being investigated.

Why are the Democrats focused on Trump and abusing political power and not Biden who appears to have absolutely abused his political power?

This is round 2 of the Hillary emails. She f'ed up. She broke the law. She fixed the democratic primaries. Joe and his son appeared to have f'ed up. Abuse of political office and a serious crime seems very likely to have been committed. Why focus on Trump? It is like complaining about your neighborhood having trash all over because your shite keeps blowing onto everyone's property.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:25 am to
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If Obama was in on framing DJT would you really care?
Just a hypothetical




Of course.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
55453 posts
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:27 am to
IF your mom had an abortion, would this world be a better place?

Rhetorical question is rhetorical.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:31 am to
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Why are the Democrats focused on Trump and abusing political power and not Biden who appears to have absolutely abused his political power?


What position does Biden hold? And the rest of it is the same reason Republicans ignore Trumps potential misdeeds.. gotta support the team.
Posted by MarineVet
Member since Aug 2018
916 posts
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:31 am to
An eye for eye, tooth for tooth... He is just issuing retribution now. It's called balancing the scales against the wicked who started the whole show.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:32 am to
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IF your mom had an abortion, would this world be a better place?

Rhetorical question is rhetorical


Maybe. Care to address the op?
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