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re: Immigration and Christianity
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:20 pm to LSU2ALA
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:20 pm to LSU2ALA
The reward of your Christianity, will be MERIT/based. I.e., "he that seweth sparingly...". If 'Heaven' had an open 'Border', it would cease to be Heaven.
I realize that those people are desperate to raise their QOL. But if they plan on doing so by dishonest (no working/earning their gains), then they will do (relatively so) to this Nation what they did to the 'Nation' they are fleeing.
Now if they agree to bear allegiance/contribute to the prosperity of this Nation via Constitutional Principle, then they are welcome. If they come to vote Authoritarian Socialist...then they are coming to a place where the war they left will look like child's play. Because a lot of people in this Nation take their God-given Rights very seriously, and being armed to the teeth, won't give it up without a tooth and nail fight.
And being a scapegoat in that day, will be a lot worse than the land they abandoned.
IMO. Vision might overrule the current Democratic Marxist push, but I don't see Leadership that can make it happen.
I realize that those people are desperate to raise their QOL. But if they plan on doing so by dishonest (no working/earning their gains), then they will do (relatively so) to this Nation what they did to the 'Nation' they are fleeing.
Now if they agree to bear allegiance/contribute to the prosperity of this Nation via Constitutional Principle, then they are welcome. If they come to vote Authoritarian Socialist...then they are coming to a place where the war they left will look like child's play. Because a lot of people in this Nation take their God-given Rights very seriously, and being armed to the teeth, won't give it up without a tooth and nail fight.
And being a scapegoat in that day, will be a lot worse than the land they abandoned.
IMO. Vision might overrule the current Democratic Marxist push, but I don't see Leadership that can make it happen.
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Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:21 pm to GAFF
There is NO way you can equate the Jews leaving Nazi Germany with the hordes from Africa. They are not being forced out by anyone. Just because the ruling elites are causing famine and there is no employment doesn't mean they are being 'forced' out. As someone else said, improve your own countries and stop looking for handouts elsewhere in the West.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:21 pm to LSU2ALA
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Lastly, I don't agree with the term invasion, and I don't believe the authors of the Bible would agree either. When they talk about invasion it's in the terms of the Romans, Assyrians, Babylonians, etc which came to subjugate and rule over you. It did not refer to a people fleeing their homeland to find a better way of life for their family.
Nobody ever talks about the legal migrants who came in and overstayed. The real issue is that all of these people need to create their own army and take back their governments.
This is not really an American issue at heart. It's a Latin American issue we choose to deal with. Those people need to take back their countries the old fashioned way. But our politicians are too PC to tell them what they really need to do.
Take your country back with Iron and Blood.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:22 pm to The Maj
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Just because you think history started in 1948 does not mean Israel did not exist prior to that...
I suppose you think David, Saul and Solomon didn't exist either?
There was no nation or country of Israel until 1948. It's a fact.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:24 pm to airlinehwypanhandler
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Why can't these people fix their own countries? You know what our founders did? They didn't just leave America and try to go find a better life somewhere else. They fought. Lots of them died face down in the mud, but they fought to improve where they were at rather than flee.
I figured this would come up as I've heard this before, and I agree it sounds good. The issue I have with it is two fold. First, the ability to rebel was much easier. Not easy by any means for you are correct that it would lead to death for many of them, but the odds were definitely better before we get into a world with tanks, bombers, chemical weapons, and the like. If Britain had those and our forefathers had guns, then it's a completely different story. What I'm getting at is our forefathers, while being out manned did not have to be decisively out gunned in an individual battle.
Secondly, I have a problem with myself and people in our country coasting on the accomplishments of our founding fathers. We are so incredibly blessed to be born here. I had nothing to do with the revolution. I don't feel comfortable saying my forefathers did something and theirs did not so good for me and sucks for them.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:24 pm to Jake_LaMotta
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There was no nation or country of Israel until 1948. It's a fact.
Wow, just keep doubling down on stupid... First you said "no Israel"... Now you want to go with "nation or country of Israel"...
The simple fact for your retarded arse is this, Israel existed a LONG time before 1948 and it was a United Kingdom ruled by a king...
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:26 pm to conservativewifeymom
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jesus exhorted everyone to follow the law of the land. Render onto Cesar what's Cesar's, and so on.
correct
illegals are actually breaking biblical law.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:26 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Now let me ask you how do you square your Christian beliefs with the human trafficking and exploitation that is going on unchecked under the current environment?
I agree that it's an absolute sin and must be stopped. My church has been very involved in supporting ministries that combat human trafficking which I completely support as well. I don't believe it's a zero sum game that we have to send everyone back because there is trafficking either.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:27 pm to LSU2ALA
The Bible is very firm on this: obey the laws.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:27 pm to The Maj
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Wow, just keep doubling down on stupid... First you said "no Israel"... Now you want to go with "nation or country of Israel"...
The simple fact for your retarded arse is this, Israel existed a LONG time before 1948 and it was a United Kingdom ruled by a king...
There was no Israel PERIOD before 1948. None.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:29 pm to LSU2ALA
My view is that it’s less efficient to try to import every poor person in the world to the USA. There are billions (with a B) of people around the world that live worse than even the poorest person in the US.
We would be better served sending people to these poor nations that are failing to try to teach them to lift themselves out of poverty where they are. Even if we doubled the number of immigrants we took in per year we would do absolutely nothing to alleviate the poverty of the world. I think many liberals come from an honest place thinking they are being charitable by letting people come here but it’s not really even putting a dent in fixing the root of the problem.
If we had the choice to take the money we currently spend on welfare for illegal immigrants and spend it on sending specially trained teams of young Americans out to poor regions of poor countries to teach them how to develop their own communities, I would do it in a heartbeat. Even offer to pay off student loans for kids that do it for x number of years. Win win for everyone. And it would give some perspective to the people growing up in the US now who try to paint themselves as victims and oppressed. “Poor” people here grow up never missing a meal and they have TVs and iPhones.
I bet most of the people who come here illegally would rather stay in their home country if they could, their economies just suck.
I don’t think it’s efficient to send them all back but why do they get to benefit unfairly just because they live within “walking” or driving distance of the US? There are people in India and other parts of Asia and Africa that are in much worse shape that will never get the option to illegally immigrate to the US simply because they weren’t lucky enough to be born on the same landmass. I wonder how many of them we could afford to take in if we weren’t overwhelmed by illegals from South America who might actually be better off when compared?
We would be better served sending people to these poor nations that are failing to try to teach them to lift themselves out of poverty where they are. Even if we doubled the number of immigrants we took in per year we would do absolutely nothing to alleviate the poverty of the world. I think many liberals come from an honest place thinking they are being charitable by letting people come here but it’s not really even putting a dent in fixing the root of the problem.
If we had the choice to take the money we currently spend on welfare for illegal immigrants and spend it on sending specially trained teams of young Americans out to poor regions of poor countries to teach them how to develop their own communities, I would do it in a heartbeat. Even offer to pay off student loans for kids that do it for x number of years. Win win for everyone. And it would give some perspective to the people growing up in the US now who try to paint themselves as victims and oppressed. “Poor” people here grow up never missing a meal and they have TVs and iPhones.
I bet most of the people who come here illegally would rather stay in their home country if they could, their economies just suck.
I don’t think it’s efficient to send them all back but why do they get to benefit unfairly just because they live within “walking” or driving distance of the US? There are people in India and other parts of Asia and Africa that are in much worse shape that will never get the option to illegally immigrate to the US simply because they weren’t lucky enough to be born on the same landmass. I wonder how many of them we could afford to take in if we weren’t overwhelmed by illegals from South America who might actually be better off when compared?
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:30 pm to JohnnyT
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What is also troublesome is that in the past the US was the land of opportunity; the great melting pot and home of e pluribus unum. Now? Not so much. Some are still doing it the right way and with the right attitude and contributing to our society. Too many have a sense of entitlement instead of gratitude for an opportunity and no desire to assimilate.
I think you have a lot of truth there. I think there are plenty of people who think they are entitled to something now. Of course every generation says that, and I have to be wary of not being an angry old man even though I'm 40. It's like I hate hearing the American Dream is dead. I still believe it's there if you are willing to work. My parents just celebrated their 50th anniversary. There were four kids though one of us died years ago. For the remaining three, we were all the first in our family to graduate college, and we all have graduate degrees. My parents were farmers on a small farm and worked incredibly hard to provide for us. The American Dream is still there but it has never been given to you. It demands to be taken.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:31 pm to LSU2ALA
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I agree that in a perfect world we want them to come in legally,
Wrong! In a perfect world we don’t want them to come in at all until we can take of the 400million people already here!
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:31 pm to Jake_LaMotta
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There was no Israel PERIOD before 1948. None.
so there was no kingdom of judah or israel?
holy frick you are a dumbass
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:33 pm to conservativewifeymom
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There is NO way you can equate the Jews leaving Nazi Germany with the hordes from Africa
I wasn’t saying they're the same, I’m saying they’re different. As in Jews were fleeing to stay alive unlike the caravans.
I think we’re of the same thought on this just comprehending each other differently.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:34 pm to airlinehwypanhandler
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How many immigrants and refugees are you housing and taking care of?
I am housing none. I did leave my job as of May 31st. I was with my company for 17 years and had a good paying job and was higher up in the company. I left because I have had a calling for a long time to work with people who are maginalized in our society such as the homeless, hungry, immigrants, etc. I don't have a job or anything lined up, but I felt if I didn't take the leap and do what God is calling me to by leaving my job I never would. I'm not trying to brag or anything like that, but I am trying to say I am trying to live my faith in the way I'm called in my heart as it ties directly into your question.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:36 pm to TrueTiger
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Non citizens should get nothing.
Citizens should get just enough to keep them from starving.
I'm sorry. If this is your viewpoint, then we have completely different worldviews that I fear will never be squared. That doesn't mean we have to dislike or insult each other, but I don't believe we will ever agree. I am curious if you are a Christian though if you don't mind my asking. If you don't wish to answer, that's fine.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:36 pm to LSU2ALA
If you are Catholic you may want to look into the priesthood (assuming you're not married). If you're Orthodox, you can do the same even if you are married. Protestant? The ministry sounds like it would be the ticket for you. Good luck and God bless!
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:37 pm to LSU2ALA
As a Christian, I do not want to halt immigration. I understand that people often flee other countries for legitimate reasons. I do want, however, a controlled system of immigration. A controlled system of immigration makes things safer for everyone, including those who immigrate here.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 1:38 pm to conservativewifeymom
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Are you?
I'm sorry. Was there more to your question? I'm enjoying this conversation and would like to address your question, but I'm not sure what you are asking.
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