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re: Impressive support for Intelligent Design
Posted on 2/21/26 at 1:20 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 2/21/26 at 1:20 pm to NC_Tigah
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You are assuredly wrong. However, in the instance of those who actually are atheist, theirs is merely a different faith choice, no more founded than those of theist faiths.
What faith do atheists necessarily have?
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Posted on 2/21/26 at 1:33 pm to j1897
quote:Your allusion to logic is ironic. The term you are searching for is "agnostic," not atheistic. Science is agnostic. Science neither supports atheism, nor theism, both of which are unprovable (at this point) belief sets, aka Faiths.
See how easy and unproductive that is.
Perhaps you learned something today?
This post was edited on 2/21/26 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 2/21/26 at 1:35 pm to Azkiger
quote:The unfalsifiable belief there is no God.
What faith do atheists necessarily have?
Posted on 2/21/26 at 1:35 pm to Azkiger
The faith that the universe was created by nothing
Posted on 2/21/26 at 1:46 pm to RebelExpress38
The complexity of existing life is very compelling from a design standpoint. But the orgin of life is even moreso. No one but no one can explain how life arose. The simplist form of life is a symphony of order and complexity. It goes beyond having billions of years of trying when the checmical soup you need to pull together is not stable for more than a few seconds at any given point. So it's not the billions of years that solves the problem, it's the microseconds needed to create a complex and molecule from volitale elements that is the problem that cannot be solved by "chance".
This post was edited on 2/21/26 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 2/21/26 at 2:05 pm to NC_Tigah
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The unfalsifiable belief there is no God.
So Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, etc. aren't atheists?
Posted on 2/21/26 at 2:05 pm to GRTiger
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The faith that the universe was created by nothing
Please tell me which atheists think this.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 2:08 pm to Azkiger
I would guess most atheists believe the whole of existence went from an infinitely small and dense point to an infinite universe in the span of a plank second for no particular reason.
Which ones don't?
Which ones don't?
This post was edited on 2/21/26 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 2/21/26 at 2:14 pm to GRTiger
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The faith that the universe was created by nothing
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I would guess most atheists believe the whole of existence went from an infinitely small and dense point
An infinitely small and dense point is "nothing"?
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for no particular reason
You think that atheists, who are naturalists, think that things occur in the universe for "no particular reason"? Like, you think they think things don't obey the laws of physics?
This post was edited on 2/21/26 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 2/21/26 at 2:15 pm to Azkiger
I think there isn't an atheist on the planet that can explain how we got here, from a factual basis.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 2:16 pm to GRTiger
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I think there isn't an atheist on the planet that can explain how we got here, from a factual basis.
And? Why is "I don't know but I have some guesses." such a bad response?
At least their not completely confident in a process that can only be backed up by faith.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 2:18 pm to Azkiger
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And? Why is "I don't know but I have some guesses." such a bad response?
Because, brilliant one, the foundation of my entry into this thread was about the faith of atheists.
Why must you people dance in circles instead of just understanding the first time?
Posted on 2/21/26 at 2:21 pm to Azkiger
quote:E.g., Hitchens acknowledged that strict philosophical rigor might push one toward agnosticism (since the non-existence of God is technically unfalsifiable), but he rejected the agnostic label in practice. So he was an agnostic who self identified as atheist. I really don't care about self identification.
Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, etc. aren't atheists?
I do care about science. Science is inherently agnostic. That really is not a debatable concept.
If you believe there is no God, it is by the context of that statement a "belief." If somehow one could prove there is no God, than atheism would be more than a faith.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 2:23 pm to GRTiger
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Because, brilliant one, the foundation of my entry into this thread was about the faith of atheists.
Yes, and you can have an idea of how something might have occurred without having faith that it did in fact occur in that manner.
This isn't hard.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 2:25 pm to Azkiger
quote:it isn't a bad response. But "some guesses" refers to belief rather than proof. It really isn't that complicated. Insistence that atheism is something other than a belief is silly. Atheism certainly is not scientific.
"I don't know but I have some guesses." such a bad response?
Posted on 2/21/26 at 2:27 pm to Azkiger
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This isn't hard.
This is always a treat.
You trying to claim all Atheists are actually just curious universal agnostics isn't something anyone believes. Which is good for atheists I think because you're trying to tell me they can literally entertain any possibility as long as it's not about God. That is an absurd position.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 2:28 pm to NC_Tigah
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If you believe there is no God
What if you merely lack a belief in any gods, like Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, Dennett, etc?
Posted on 2/21/26 at 2:30 pm to GRTiger
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You trying to claim all Atheists are actually just curious universal agnostics isn't something anyone believes.
Translation:
"Virtually all the famous atheists I'll gladly, and often, refer to as atheists cease to be atheists when it no longer suits my argument."
Posted on 2/21/26 at 2:31 pm to NC_Tigah
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But "some guesses" refers to belief rather than proof.
Slice it however you want it, no "faith" is necessary to have a theory about abiogenesis or how matter came to be (if it ever did).
Posted on 2/21/26 at 2:32 pm to Azkiger
The guy who simplifies a topic such as God and the universe to "it isn't that hard" has no business trying to translate my thoughts.
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