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re: Impressive support for Intelligent Design
Posted on 2/21/26 at 2:57 pm to GRTiger
Posted on 2/21/26 at 2:57 pm to GRTiger
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Eta
For fun, which religious scholars have you read? Who is your favorite apologist?
Difficult to say I have a "favorite", but when I was questioning my faith I relied heavily on CARM (Matt Slick, mostly), and William Lane Craig (he seemed to be the most popular, at least when I was looking into this 2ish decades ago).
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Posted on 2/21/26 at 2:58 pm to Azkiger
Go on
Posted on 2/21/26 at 2:59 pm to Azkiger
quote:Right. But the corollary would be "what definition of God would negate such an argument?"
A sound and valid argument can be made that there is no God depending on how you define him.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 2:59 pm to GRTiger
quote:
Go on
In what direction?
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:00 pm to Azkiger
You questioned your faith, listened to them, then became an atheist.
What did they say or not say that drove you in the opposite direction?
What did they say or not say that drove you in the opposite direction?
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:00 pm to NC_Tigah
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Right. But the corollary would be "what definition of God would negate such an argument?"
One where you ascribe contradictory characteristics.
Much like a circular square *cannot* exist, a being who is perfectly just but also shows mercy likewise, definitionally, cannot exist.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:02 pm to Azkiger
quote:Because words have meaning. Redefining existing words because one chose the wrong term to begin with is anti-intellectual.
Why isn't there a "or my definition/understanding of atheism is wrong when those most associated with the atheist movement do not fit the criteria I'm laying out" option listed?
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:05 pm to GRTiger
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What did they say or not say that drove you in the opposite direction?
The gospels claims surrounding Jesus' birth was a big one.
Luke and Matthew's writings use a Roman Census and Herod the Great trying to kill Jesus as an infant despite these events occurring 10+ years apart at minimum is a pretty big blow to Christianity.
The Problem of Evil is another one, if you want to veer from historical occurrences and into philosophy.
Stories like Noah's flood, the 10 plagues of Egypt, etc. getting dismantled didn't help either.
It was death by a thousand small cuts. Some cuts were bigger than others, sure, but there was no single issue that had me stop believing.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:07 pm to NC_Tigah
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Because words have meaning.
Yes, and who decides the meanings of words if not the society that uses them?
Once you accept that, its hard to argue against society labeling Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, etc. as atheists.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:08 pm to j1897
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Basically every invention you use in your modern life was created by a non christian. Dunning-Kruger.
Did you get lost on your way to reddit to make the generic copy & paste atheist comment for the 100th time today?
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:09 pm to Azkiger
I honestly find it hard to believe you listened to scholars and apologists and didn't have those questions answered.
What's your take on abiogenesis?
What's your take on abiogenesis?
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:11 pm to Azkiger
quote:"Just "or "mercy" are floating signifiers. Aside from that, prove that such a being cannot exist.
a being who is perfectly just but also shows mercy likewise, definitionally, cannot exist.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:12 pm to GRTiger
quote:
I honestly find it hard to believe you listened to scholars and apologists and didn't have those questions answered.
What answer did you find acceptable with respect to the Luke/Matthew Roman Census/The Slaughter of the Innocents potential contradiction?
quote:
What's your take on abiogenesis?
That it's more likely to have occurred than God creating life.
This post was edited on 2/21/26 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:14 pm to Azkiger
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That it's more likely to have occurred
Based on what?
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:15 pm to Azkiger
quote:Society has decided those definitions. For example, "fascism." The fact that leftists ascribe that term to virtually all conservatives in the United States does not change the defined meaning of the term. It just speaks to their lack of understanding of it.
Yes, and who decides the meanings of words if not the society that uses them?
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:16 pm to NC_Tigah
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"Just "or "mercy" are floating signifiers. Aside from that, prove that such a being cannot exist.
Maybe you missed it, but I'm not here to argue my points.
If you want to know my stances/thoughts, fine. But I'm not debating. It's pointless.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:18 pm to NC_Tigah
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Society has decided those definitions. For example, "fascism." The fact that leftists ascribe that term to virtually all conservatives in the United States does not change the defined meaning of the term. It just speaks to their lack of understanding of it.
The left and right disagree on what fascism is.
Do you think that Christians and atheists disagree on whether or not Dawkins is an atheist?
Of course not. That's the difference. Your side of the fence labels them as atheists, and my side of the fence labels them as atheists. Society has spoken.
You're the odd man out.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:23 pm to GRTiger
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Based on what?
Based on the fact that I don't find there to be any good arguments for the existence of God and we're working with a universe with an estimated 700 quintillion (700,000,000,000,000,000,000 -- I think I got that right) thats about 14 billion years old, so plenty of planets and time for an extremely unlikely event to occur at least once.
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:24 pm to Azkiger
I don't accept that reply. That's like if I asked why you voted for Kamala and you said "because I hate Trump."
What are you not taking on faith to believe in spontaneous life from gasses?
What are you not taking on faith to believe in spontaneous life from gasses?
Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:27 pm to Azkiger
quote:That is as irrelevant as Dawkins' chosen self-identification. If, as I suspect he is, Dawkins is founding his holdings solely upon what would be ascribed as falsifiable assertions, he is by definition agnostic. If however, he goes beyond that, and makes positive assertions that there is no God, he would rate as an atheist, and such beliefs would speak to faith, not science.
Do you think that Christians and atheists disagree on whether or not Dawkins is an atheist?
This post was edited on 2/21/26 at 3:32 pm
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