I would say most of the actual “aid” is in the form of military grants, and that the return on investment, very generally speaking, is centered around benefit to our national security (economic, military security, security for our “everyday lives” in the homeland), and that Israel provides a certain “platform” to achieve that security….

But …….I’m sure the immediate thought is that nothing that happens in the Middle East affects us over here, in any way. And that there’s no real threat to us from anyone or anything in the Middle East, so this thought is immediately dismissed. A surprising number amongst us possess that thought.

Long story short, it’s useless for me to seriously try.

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Posted on 6/19/25 at 11:35 am to RandRules

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I don’t get that the Jews are God’s chosen people. I’m not saying it’s not true, I’m saying that I don’t understand why God would play favorites. Does everyone believe this? If so, why?

Does the created have a right to question the creator as to why things are the way they are?

It doesn't seem fair, but the road to heaven is narrow.

All from Romans 9

14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,

“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.

19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”[h] 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?

25 As he says in Hosea:

“I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people;
and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one,”[i]

26 and,

“In the very place where it was said to them,
‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘children of the living God.’”[j]

27 Isaiah cries out concerning Israel:

“Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea,
only the remnant will be saved.
28 For the Lord will carry out
his sentence on earth with speed and finality.”[k]

29 It is just as Isaiah said previously:

“Unless the Lord Almighty
had left us descendants,
we would have become like Sodom,
we would have been like Gomorrah.

30 What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; 31 but the people of Israel, who pursued the law as the way of righteousness, have not attained their goal. 32 Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. 33 As it is written:

“See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes people to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall,
and the one who believes in him will never be put to shame.

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Posted on 6/19/25 at 11:39 am to scottydoesntknow

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If you read the New Testament

Most of the evangelicals have problems with this part.

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Posted on 6/19/25 at 11:41 am to AUauditor

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AUauditor

Is there a footnote that explains why the Jews are exempt from John 14:6?

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Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

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Posted by AUauditor

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Posted on 6/19/25 at 11:42 am to Esquire

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Most

...is a heavy exaggeration.

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Posted on 6/19/25 at 11:45 am to Esquire

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Is there a footnote that explains why the Jews are exempt from John 14:6?

Did you read what I typed or just the part that confused you?

My quote - bad spelling and all...No one, based on nationality, professed relgion, race (except for Jews), etc. have any special place; however, those individuals who profess with their mouth and believe in their heart that Jesus is the Christ will share in God's kingdom, which will include some of God's chosen people - Jews by blood.

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Posted by AUauditor

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Posted on 6/19/25 at 11:53 am to AUauditor

So much of the Bible (except for certain absolutes regarding Jesus and salvation) can be interpreted in many different ways. And, beyond those absolutes, it is foolish to debate them...as I foolishly debate them. Either way...

Before Jesus came, God always allowed a remnant of Jews to remain through one or a few that were righteous per God. He did not destroy them as a whole. The same cannot be said for Gentiles and other non-Jewish believers. It is my opinion that God will always give his people a second chance. Likely, in the end, there will be some righteous Jews who have yet to accept Christ. They will be given an opportunity to accept Christ of which apparently 144,000 (out of the entire Jewish population) will.

Why is this the case...who are we to ask that of God? But, I see nothing in the Bible that tells me that this is not so and much that tells me it is. Either way, it makes little to no difference to most as without acceptance of Jesus as one's Lord and Savior, one will not be able to share in God's glory, irrespective of how "good" a person may be.

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