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re: Is it the guns or the person?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:57 pm to loogaroo
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:57 pm to loogaroo
quote:Given that at absolute most only about 0.02% of gun owners go on to become criminals... if guns are the cause they are damn ineffective.
Did the gun make the person?
They are 99.98% ineffective at creating criminals IF we presume that every legal gun owner that becomes a criminal become one ONLY because of the gun.
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:02 pm to Taxing Authority
It's fascinating really. Guns are the one case where it's not the person, but the tool that is at fault.
It's almost like there's an agenda.
It's almost like there's an agenda.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:16 pm to Pettifogger
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:19 pm to Pettifogger
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:23 pm to DelU249
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this kid, unlike the vegas shooter, fits the typical profile. the vegas shooter breaks the mold in every conceivable way which is why it is so perplexing. I don't think this kid had a background in gun culture but rather kids think guns are cool and this kid desperately wanted validation (i.e. to be cool) and that was one of probably several outrageous ways he tried to get it.
I recognize the importance of the validation aspect in your assessment, but to some extent, aren't a lot of "normal" people drawn to gun culture for the same reasons ("cool kids")?
It may turn out that he never really devoted any energy to being a gun hobbyist beyond commenting on youtube videos or looking at pictures.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:31 pm to Pettifogger
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:32 pm to Centinel
quote:Were dealing with people that think guns have magic powers and cast spells over people.
Guns are the one case where it's not the person, but the tool that is at fault.
It’s always going to be an uphill battle
Maybe we should hand out magic wands to them and tell them they repel the guns.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:34 pm to Taxing Authority
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Maybe we should hand out magic wands to them and tell them they repel the guns.
EXPELLIARMUS ARMALIGHTUM!
Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:41 pm to Centinel
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EXPELLIARMUS ARMALIGHTUM!
Millinneal tested, millinneal approved! 
Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:14 pm to loogaroo
is that the person can get the gun. let paddock do what he did in vegas with a shotgun, see how that would work out.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:17 pm to MastrShake
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let paddock do what he did in vegas with a shotgun, see how that would work out.
Let him do it with a bomb and see how that would work out.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:47 pm to ShreveportHog94
quote:that's because your analogy doesnt hold up. The school putting up barricades to stop a truck attack is like the school putting up bullet proof doors and a buzzer so the guy couldn't get in the school. Passing stupid pointless gun and ammo laws is like requiring everyone to throttle their car at 3mph at all times so nobody can do a truck attack. Also, what the frick is wrong with Arkansas? Seems like 80% of the mindless libtards on this board are Arkansas fans
And if that happened then nobody would have a problem with barricades. But let someone suggest having your rifle shoot less rounds and you lose your minds.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:55 pm to ShreveportHog94
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And if that happened then nobody would have a problem with barricades
Where? Everywhere?
And what constitutional right is infringed upon by vehicle barricades in parking lots? Does a barricade threaten my ability to defend my family in our home?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:01 pm to Centinel
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fascinating really. Guns are the one case where it's not the person, but the tool that is at fault.
It's almost like there's an agenda.
For some, sure... but generally speaking there’s some underlying ratio of personal utility vs risk to others.
Many consider guns low utility and high risk. If bombs were suddenly legal people would likely yell about regulation after incidents too.
A box truck has helped everyone move! And incredibly rarely is used for violence.
You see guns as high utility - safety! Self defense! Hunting! Fun! But a large group doesn’t. So they want to reduce risk from the device.
All that said- it’s not one or the other for how to discuss potential reduction of risk. If you can get better mental healthcare, and better regulations keeping guns out of the hands of high risk individuals— you can slightly reduce risk on both sides of the equation
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:03 pm to Centinel
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And if he builds a bomb?
Some will pretend that, that is a foolish scenario that won't happen .. even though they hear about backwards people in the middle east building crude bombs all the time.
Apparently the crazy murderers in our country will never be as resourceful as the crazy murderers in the middle east.
Crazy murderers determined to murder, will always find a way.
We need more armed security for public places.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:08 pm to ShreveportHog94
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How about you address mine?
It's an endless argument that cannot be resolved. His point is that a person determined to inflict pain is going to inflict pain regardless of the controls in place.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:09 pm to Plx1776
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Some will pretend that, that is a foolish scenario that won't happen .. even though they hear about backwards people in the middle east building crude bombs all the time.
Hell there's no reason to even bring up the middle east. We have plenty of examples here in the US.
Olympic Village, Oklahoma City Federal Building, World Trade Center, Boston Marathon....I can keep going for quite a while.
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