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re: Is Yoga demonic? (Update)
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Same logic involved.
Not really. Yoga is from an actual Pagan religion. That's not just me being some John Lithgow from Footloose preacher saying that, that's it's roots. It's in the name "yoga" to yoke, or to become "one with the universe", or to be your own god with gnostic knowledge. This is in contrast the Christian teachings.
Again, if you are an atheist, and don't believe this, that is just your perspective. I am just clarifying the teachings and scripture.
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Because that wasn't really the core of the message of Jesus.
The central or core message from Jesus is that he came to save the world, and that in order for us to reach the Kingdom of God, we needed to accept Jesus Christ as our savior and glorify God.
In order to do that, people would need to detach themselves from forces of evil preventing them to reach Jesus Christ.
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Mathew 6:24
“No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."
This post was edited on 9/29/24 at 10:33 pm
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Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:36 pm to burger bearcat
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Yoga is from an actual pagan religion.
Which is irrelevant to your demon scenario.
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It's in the name "yoga" to yoke, or to become "one with the universe", or to be your own god with gnostic knowledge. This is in contrast the Christian teachings.
And if God is real, none of this is.
And if this is real, God isn't.
Both are irrelevant to your demon scenario, which is "John Lithgow from Footloose".
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The central or core message front Jesus is that he came to save the world, and that in order for us to reach the Kingdom of God, we needed to accept Jesus Christ as our savior and glorify God.
Correct, which has nothing to do with "spiritual warfare". It's an internal mindset/system.
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“No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."
So money is the "Debil", as Mrs. Boucher would say?
Wouldn't that make Trump a Demon Lord?
See how easily this silly argument can lead to absurdity? Again, just like Mrs. Boucher.
This post was edited on 9/29/24 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:false equivalence
And if God is real, none of this is.
And if this is real, God isn't.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:43 pm to burger bearcat
No, Hinduism also isn't demonic.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:46 pm to AuburnTigers
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false equivalence
Christianity requires one god, so no. If God exists, all other gods do not.
If these pagan gods exist, then God cannot
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:thats just not the case. gods exist to those that believe in them. however, there is only one God, and he is the creator
Christianity requires one god, so no. If God exists, all other gods do not.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:03 pm to AuburnTigers
I'm think this is the first time I've ever seen someone on here argue for tulpas.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Yoga is from an actual pagan religion.
Which is irrelevant to your demon scenario
Nope. They are one in the same, I'm not sure hoe much more blint I need to be "Pagan gods = demons". This is not me saying it, it is in Scruptire, Catechism, Church teachings, etc.
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And if God is real, none of this is.
And if this is real, God isn't.
God and his good
Satan is bad
Both of these forces exist. Satan comes in many forms.
Per Church teachings. God wants you to worship him, he wants you to come to him through Jesus Christ, he also wants you to ask his Children (the Saints) for intercession.
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Correct, which has nothing to do with "spiritual warfare". It's an internal mindset/system.
It is not just an internal mindset. From the Catholoc perspective, as we believe we are literally eating Jesus' flesh and drinking his blood. Again, millions of people do this every week and then turn around and say I'm whacky for calling out Yoga.
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Roman's 8 3-14
For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the just requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. To set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, indeed it cannot; and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. But you are not in the flesh, you are in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him… for if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body you will live. For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:they exist to those that believe in them, no?
'm think this is the first time I've ever seen someone on here argue for tulpas.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Christianity requires one god, so no. If God exists, all other gods do not.
If these pagan gods exist, then God cannot
I'm not sure why you aren't getting it. Spoiler Alert: the Pagan gods are actually demons! This is from the Christian perspective.
In other words, there are real spiritual forces behind their worship (not from God). You seem to keep implying that these are some how other neutral forces that are not with or against the God (in Christianity).
The Christian perspective would tell you that when people worship Pagans, they are in fact summoning demons and serving Satan.
Most modern Christian preachers will stay away from these topics, it's too much "fire ans brimstone" for their liking. But this is the Christian perspective.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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So money is the "Debil", as Mrs. Boucher would say?
Wouldn't that make Trump a Demon Lord?
See how easily this silly argument can lead to absurdity? Again, just like Mrs. Boucher.
Money is just a tool. Like a hammer is a tool. If you make money an idol, then yes it is a sin. If you use money to build a great business, employ a bunch of people, raise a family and educate them, then money can be a great thing and even virtuous to obtain it. If you use a hammer to build a ramp for a disabled person, that is virtuous, if you rob a liquor store and bash the employee over the head with it, that is a sin.
We are all sinners, and that includes Donald Trump. We live in this world, and politics is a necessary system we use to shape the world around us. Sinners elect sinners to attempt to make their communities and countries better. God even uses sinners to bring about good outcomes, and even uses Satan for the same ends. To bring more of his people home to his Kingdom.
This post was edited on 9/30/24 at 5:51 am
Posted on 9/30/24 at 4:44 am to burger bearcat
I don't know about demonic, but I call this pose the "child support"
Posted on 9/30/24 at 5:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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Wait what
Go back to your anime porn.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 5:11 am to burger bearcat
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Money is just a tool. Like a hammer is a tool. If you make money an idol, then yes it is a sin. If you use money to build a great business, employ a bunch of people, raise a family and educate them, then money can be a great thing and even virtuous to obtain it. If you use a hammer to build a raml for a disabled person, that is virtuous, if you rob a liquor store and bash the employee over the head with it, that is a sin.
Well said. Both money and alcohol simply make a person more of what they already are.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 5:48 am to burger bearcat
You linked to an interview sponsored by a cigar company, which, if the body is a temple, as stated in the Bible, is pretty destructive and anti Christian.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 6:25 am to Landmass
So this is the issue. When you talk to a yoga master or yogi. They say that the acts of the physical poses is inseparable from the spiritual worship of these gods.
This is why there is pushback because people do not know what they are joining themselves to through this physical act and how some Christian leaders look at it.
This is why there is pushback because people do not know what they are joining themselves to through this physical act and how some Christian leaders look at it.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 6:38 am to burger bearcat
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Update. People should at least know the origins of yoga and the poses. You are worshipping pagan deities during yoga, knowingly or unknowingly during yoga
Posted on 9/30/24 at 6:38 am to TaipeiTiger
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So this is the issue. When you talk to a yoga master or yogi. They say that the acts of the physical poses is inseparable from the spiritual worship of these gods.
Correct. And the physical actions (or poses) do matter. SFP is admittedly not religous and basically atheist, so he was not getting this aspect. That Christianity is more than just a "mindset" or a "set of values", but there are actually physical acts involved, as our bodies combined with our spirit and would creates one nature.
This post was edited on 9/30/24 at 7:00 am
Posted on 9/30/24 at 6:48 am to burger bearcat
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Money is just a tool. Like a hammer is a tool. I
Kind of like stretching is a tool for your body. Same thing.
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If you make money an idol, then yes it is a sin. If you use money to build a great business, employ a bunch of people, raise a family and educate them, then money can be a great thing and even virtuous to obtain it. If you use a hammer to build a ramp for a disabled person, that is virtuous, if you rob a liquor store and bash the employee over the head with it, that is a sin.
If you use Yoga for stretching, then it's no problem.
And, I already said this last page:
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If you are using Yoga as a way to intentionally reject God/Jesus, then sure, you have a point. I imagine this population is extraordinarily small, dwarfed by people who enjoy the stretching and core workout.
This post was edited on 9/30/24 at 6:54 am
Posted on 9/30/24 at 6:51 am to burger bearcat
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You seem to keep implying that these are some how other neutral forces that are not with or against the God (in Christianity).
No. I clearly that if God exists, they do not.
This means they are not a force at all in any way, because they do not exist on the physical or ethereal planes.
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The Christian perspective would tell you that when people worship Pagans, they are in fact summoning demons and serving Satan.
Or they're wasting time doing nothing.
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