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Posted on 9/6/21 at 10:30 pm to the808bass
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Upvote because I know it was good.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 10:36 pm to Loserman
Posted on 9/6/21 at 10:51 pm to LSUbest
Irish Council for Human Rights on not vaccinating Children
LINK - TD thread
LINK - TD thread
This post was edited on 9/6/21 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 9/6/21 at 11:10 pm to LSUbest
quote:Whoever derived that table from your link is an absolute moron (or deceitful). The counts of severe cases (hospitalized) were current cases. So the column "odds of not being severely infected" means not at this moment. Not hasn't been, not won't be, but just not right fricking now.
This table was derived from per 100K.
Do you not see how twisted this presentation is? Whoever did it just wanted to show a bunch of 9's. If something more than 1% of the population was in the hospital at the same fricking time due to the same illness, that would be apocalyptic, no hyperbole. With a 2 week turnover 1/4 of the pop would be hospitalized in a year at that rate. Of course there are going to be a bunch of 9's when looking at a snapshot in time.
Just incredible that someone would chop off the efficacy column of that table (it's about 90%) and replace it with such a severe twisting of the data.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 11:54 pm to doubleb
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vaccinated because we know the vaccination is only 40% effective at most
Fify...this thread is on Israel's claims, let's use their assessment of the vax efficacy
In the US it's safe and helpy helps everyone with sunshine and rainbows at 96% efficacy...(amongst other lies)
Some 70+% are vaxxed
Posted on 9/7/21 at 12:18 am to Korkstand
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So the column "odds of not being severely infected" means not at this moment.
So basically what Pfizer did with their vaccine study.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 12:22 am to Mfdtiger
Omg you idiot!
Posted on 9/7/21 at 12:25 am to Jjdoc
Since around 20% of Israel is unvaccinated, but the unvaccinated comprise around 35% of the deaths, that means that proportionally the unvaccinated are dying at almost twice the rate of the vaccinated.
And we don't know how much worse it would have been without the shots. 607 people died. Isreal has just under 9,000,000 people.
The shots seem to be working at reducing death and reducing the spread!
And we don't know how much worse it would have been without the shots. 607 people died. Isreal has just under 9,000,000 people.
The shots seem to be working at reducing death and reducing the spread!
Posted on 9/7/21 at 12:27 am to the808bass
quote:They compared the rate of infection among vaccinated vs unvaccinated after a period of time. That's how efficacy is determined, and that is how it was done in the linked article that I replied to.quote:So basically what Pfizer did with their vaccine study.
So the column "odds of not being severely infected" means not at this moment.
If you don't understand how or why comparing two rates in this way and calculating the % difference is different than what was done in that silly chart, let me know and I will try to explain more.
Though after over a year of this trash I get the feeling that most of you just tune out whenever statistics, probability, or really any math is discussed.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 12:40 am to Eurocat
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Since around 20% of Israel is unvaccinated, b
And stopping right there to correct you. Per NPR, as linked in this thread, Israel is only 58% fully vaccinated.
You can find the link in the thread and try the math they used to get it to 58%.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 12:48 am to Jjdoc
quote:You should read, and do your best to understand, the article linked above by LSUbest (and ignore the bastardized chart "derived" from it). Read about Simpson's Paradox, and learn the importance of properly stratifying your data by recognizing confounding variables.
And stopping right there to correct you. Per NPR, as linked in this thread, Israel is only 58% fully vaccinated.
You can find the link in the thread and try the math they used to get it to 58%.
In our case, the confounding variable is that those who are most likely to develop a severe case of covid are also most likely to be vaccinated. See my earlier post showing how among those aged 60 and over, being vaccinated is about 75% effective at preventing death.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 12:57 am to Korkstand
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You should read, and do your best to understand, the article linked above by LSUbest (and ignore the bastardized chart "derived" from it). Read about Simpson's Paradox, and learn the importance of properly stratifying your data by recognizing confounding variables.
I don't know why you are talking at me. Did I respond to your's and LSUBest's conversation?
NOPE!
I linked to the Nation of Israel's website on Covid with their numbers.
I linked to NPR on their vaccination numbers.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 10:43 am to Korkstand
Not what you wanted to see?
Keep looking, I'm sure CNN has the data you want.
Keep looking, I'm sure CNN has the data you want.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 10:58 am to LSUbest
quote:It's just not useful information. It doesn't tell you anything about the effectiveness of the vaccines, nor does it give you any idea of what is actually happening. It's a ten thousand foot view for those afraid of taking a closer look. It's a sunshine pumper's view of things. It's just as bad as the doom and gloomers except in the other direction.
Not what you wanted to see?
Posted on 9/7/21 at 11:01 am to Korkstand
You’re correct that this is a dumb useless stat, but when our CDC uses “dumb, useless stats” like % of unvaccinated hospitalized vs. vaccinated, can’t really get upset when people cherry pick a country with almost 80%+ vaccination rates.
This is why you can’t treat people like they’re idiots, because then they’ll act like you treat them.
This is why you can’t treat people like they’re idiots, because then they’ll act like you treat them.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 11:07 am to 93and99
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Why in the frick do you care?
You hardly post on this board.
Stick to the shite boards you post on.
lmfao so this board is your little club now where only people who you agree with (retards) can post? That actually makes much more sense judging by the content posted daily in this alt right echo chamber.
This post was edited on 9/7/21 at 11:08 am
Posted on 9/7/21 at 11:10 am to Tiguar
quote:I'm not upset, I'm just pointing out useless information. I do hate that health officials present similar useless information. The vaxed vs unvaxed raw figures/percentages are only reasonably accurate when around 50% of each risk group is vaccinated. Low rates of vaccination in a group skews the numbers so that vaccination looks better than it is, and high rates of vaccination makes it look worse than it is. It's not hard to normalize the figures, but unfortunately too many people either don't understand data presented that way or they think someone is trying to pull a fast one on them.
You’re correct that this is a dumb useless stat, but when our CDC uses “dumb, useless stats” like % of unvaccinated hospitalized vs. vaccinated, can’t really get upset when people cherry pick a country with almost 80%+ vaccination rates.
quote:Chicken/egg?
This is why you can’t treat people like they’re idiots, because then they’ll act like you treat them.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 11:13 am to Korkstand
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It's not hard to normalize the figures, but unfortunately too many people either don't understand data presented that way or they think someone is trying to pull a fast one on them.
When our medical leadership in this country has been gaslighting for years (not just covid), the natural progression is lay people begin to distrust the medical world in aggregate.
People who have been looking at data and actually taking care of patients have gotten used to ignoring and spotting fda/cdc bullshite.
The lay public does not have that experience and cannot be expected to rationally examine that information.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 11:16 am to Tiguar
quote:Can you give an example?
When our medical leadership in this country has been gaslighting for years (not just covid)
quote:Can they be expected to try?
The lay public does not have that experience and cannot be expected to rationally examine that information.
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