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re: Jesus Was a Refugee Commercial
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:10 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:10 am to NC_Tigah
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You and Stinger_1066 are up early together. Did he disturb you when he got out of bed to pee?
I love the intellectual depth and maturity of this comment.
Surely you can do better.
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Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:13 am to Bigdawgb
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Based on what I'm reading here the poster you're replying to totally blanked on the time in Egypt and thought of Jesus living in Nazareth until his 30s
I do wish today's refugees would return to their homelands like Jesus instead of entrenching themselves in the States & Europe
It is pretty easy to see that the atheists posting in this thread understand the scriptures much better than the believers.
As per usual.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:14 am to BasedAF
The queer brigade also co-opted the rainbow from Jesus.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:16 am to Squirrelmeister
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never quote: even existed
Well I don’t know about that. I’m sure he did. The question would be was he the son of God.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:24 am to NC_Tigah
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Jesus' birth:
Galatians 4:4: "But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law,"
Except it doesn’t say “born” in Greek. The word used is “made” or “manufactured”. Look up the same verse in the vulgate and you’ll see where the English word “manufacture” got its root word from Latin.
“Made of a woman” was a Greek idiom they used for “human”.
They had a different word for “born” that Paul deliberately chose not to use in this verse. If he’d have meant born he’d have used that word.
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Jesus' human life: Philippians 2:5–8: In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness and being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death — even death on a cross!
Did Paul mention any reference to being on planet earth in these verses? No, he didn’t. But he didn’t need to. His audience knew those things to have happened in the heavens.
Oh, and that’s a peculiar verse you quoted. It’s often used by Unitarians, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and atheists to show that Jesus and God were separate. It’s anti-Trinitarian.
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Jesus' death and resurrection: 1 Corinthians 15:3-4: For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures.
To which scriptures is Paul referring? New Testament didn’t exist yet. Why didn’t he say they knew of his death and resurrection because they were witnesses or because they heard it from other people? They only knew of it through re-interpreted Old Testament scriptures.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:24 am to Squirrelmeister
So are you a Jew or Muslim?
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:29 am to Squirrelmeister
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Except it doesn’t say “born” in Greek. The word used is “made” or “manufactured”. Look up the same verse in the vulgate and you’ll see where the English word “manufacture” got its root word from Latin. “Made of a woman” was a Greek idiom they used for “human”.
While I agree things are lost in translation this is how things are said in Latin based languages.
I’ll just use Spanish. Translating take a shite literally is to make a shite. So in Spanish you make shits you don’t take shits.
But you wouldn’t go around saying I made or manufactured a shite in English.
This post was edited on 12/24/24 at 11:31 am
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:36 am to dgnx6
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While I agree things are lost in translation this is how things are said in Latin based languages.
I’ll just use Spanish. Translating take a shite literally is to make a shite. So in Spanish you make shits you don’t take shits.
But you wouldn’t go around saying I made or manufactured a shite in English.
Amazing this is the method God chose to convey his message to future generations...
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:39 am to Stinger_1066
Merry Christmas. 
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:43 am to dgnx6
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While I agree things are lost in translation this is how things are said in Latin based languages.
Except Greek isn’t a Latin based language. There are different words for “made”/“manufactured” and “born” (out of a female vagina) in Koine Greek. Both words are used throughout the New Testament. Paul knew both words. He was educated in Greek. Paul chose to used “manufactured” instead of “born” in Galatians.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 12:08 pm to Azkiger
quote:The irony of your response to my statement is thick. Either you didn't read it, or were somehow confused by it.
Well that is a stupid claim... While it is entirely possible that oral history erroneously conflated reasons for Joseph, Mary, and Jesus to exit Bethlehem
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So your rebuttal to my pointing out people who take that like of argument are attempting to maintain Biblical infallibility
But FTR, under Roman rule, local Jewish authorities often maintained a degree of autonomy in managing internal affairs. This could include conducting local censuses for local administration, population records, or other administrative purposes. E.g., Jewish religious law included provisions for various forms of registration and record-keeping within their communities, which could have involved census-like activities.
Roman record-keeping, while extensive, was not comprehensive, especially at the local level. Many local administrative records were not preserved.
As stated, that does not mean the census wasn't a Biblical conflation, but it does open the possibility of an extrantraneous event.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 12:09 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:What is the Greek term for Immaculate Conception?
Paul chose to used “manufactured” instead of “born” in Galatians.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 12:15 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:Just as you are "using it" as you wish. As I said much earlier you're reverting to legalese "interpretation" of scripture which is written in peri-historic non-legalese. It's scripture in which you do not believe. Your belief set is pertinent because your resultant bias is evident in your interpretations.
It’s often used by Unitarians, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and atheists to show that Jesus and God were separate. It’s anti-Trinitarian.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 12:16 pm to Azkiger
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Amazing this is the method God chose to convey his message to future generations...
What language did Adam and Eve speak?
I doubt it was American English. But we do say things like, “let’s make a baby.”
Also I’m a non believer but Jesus exists in Judaism and Islam.
But to Jews he’s just a man. There is only one God.
I find it more likely people followed some dude around a long time ago over it was completely made up and became one of the worlds most dominant religions.
Was Muhammad not a real person?
This post was edited on 12/24/24 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 12/24/24 at 12:22 pm to dgnx6
quote:Was too!
I doubt it was American English.
First thing out of Eve's mouth was in the Queen's English after they got kicked out of Eden, "Adam, if it's any consolation honey, yours makes the snake and apples in that tree look small."
Posted on 12/24/24 at 12:30 pm to NC_Tigah
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But FTR, under Roman rule
Irrelevant, because under Herod's leadership, Judea was an independent nation.
I've told you this already. Are you not reading my posts?
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This could include...
It could include that under Jewish rule, but it wouldn't. The Jews, after Satan tempted King David to perform a peacetime census, were punished by God when he killed 70,000 Hebrews for such immorality.
When Rome did incorporate Judea, they did perform a peacetime census (Under Governor Qurinius). This resulted in riots (Josephus and other contemporaries recorded such events) because the Jews though that such an event was immoral.
Do you know what Josephus and other contemporaries didn't record? Jewish riots under Herod for a peacetime census then (because such a thing never happened).
I already alluded to this. Are you not reading my responses?
This post was edited on 12/24/24 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 12/24/24 at 12:32 pm to dgnx6
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What language did Adam and Eve speak?
I doubt it was American English. But we do say things like, “let’s make a baby.”
Also I’m a non believer but Jesus exists in Judaism and Islam.
But to Jews he’s just a man. There is only one God.
I find it more likely people followed some dude around a long time ago over it was completely made up and became one of the worlds most dominant religions.
Was Muhammad not a real person?
I'm not sure what any of this has to do with my point.
Why would an all knowing and all powerful God rely on relaying such an important message through such fallible means?
Posted on 12/24/24 at 12:42 pm to Azkiger
quote:Negative. Hence my response.
Irrelevant, because under Herod's leadership, Judea was an independent nation.
Herod had freedom to govern Judea internally, including undertaking ambitious building projects (e.g., expansion of the Second Temple) and implementing policies to enhance trade and prosperity. But, he was required to ensure Roman interests, such as tax collection, were upheld.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 1:01 pm to NC_Tigah
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Just as you are "using it" as you wish
I’m not. You must’ve not fully read or understood my post and you didn’t do any research on the Greek words used.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 1:02 pm to Squirrelmeister
You are conflating many different versus while making major assumptions and don’t seem to understand the idea of the Trinity at all.
I always find it interesting that atheists try so hard to “prove” their beliefs to others. They all seem to have a pathological need to have others acknowledge they are right which reeks of narcissistism and obsessive rigid traits. You can stop cutting and pasting from your atheist start kit now. You aren’t convincing anyone.
I always find it interesting that atheists try so hard to “prove” their beliefs to others. They all seem to have a pathological need to have others acknowledge they are right which reeks of narcissistism and obsessive rigid traits. You can stop cutting and pasting from your atheist start kit now. You aren’t convincing anyone.
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