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Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:01 am to
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:01 am to
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oblivious to the destruction Bernie's policies would bring to the US economy.


Yeah the thing is not everyone agrees this is actually true, and believe it or not your opinion is not the only legitimate one.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:04 am to
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Yeah the thing is not everyone agrees this is actually true


No shite.

Do you think his policies would work?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:06 am to
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Yeah the thing is not everyone agrees this is actually true,

i think the issue with Bernie's traditional policies would be that they would be ineffective due to evasive/protective tax behavior by wealthy payers. the issue would be what comes next (And it wouldn't be pretty)

however, when we get into the Green New Deal (or equivalents), then yeah you're going to find it difficult to argue it won't destroy our economy (Since that's kind of the point of those programs at their heart)
Posted by canyon critter
Montana
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:08 am to
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Well there are not any Republicans running other the President of the Free World who i doubt has time for a fricking podcast


That’s because he’s too busy golfing and playing the Twitter.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
88509 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:09 am to
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Do you think his policies would work?


Some yes, some no. Regardless very few would be implemented without a major change in Congress as well, which won’t happen.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
88509 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:10 am to
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when we get into the Green New Deal (or equivalents), then yeah you're going to find it difficult to argue it won't destroy our economy (Since that's kind of the point of those programs at their heart)


To this point the Green New Deal is a vague 7 pager.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:12 am to
Why do people act like twitter consumes any amount of meaningful time?

You can make a twitter post while taking a shite or laying in bed.

When you're coddled by the media, you dont need to seek different outlets to get your message out unmolested
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:13 am to
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Do you think his policies would work?



Many would if there was full cooperation and fair implementation. That would not happen though in today's political climate.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:15 am to
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full cooperation and fair implementation


I'm curious as to what this means.

Cooperation as in people being taxed all to hell without complaint?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:19 am to
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That’s because he’s too busy golfing and playing the Twitter.


Good. The less any president does, the better. The last thing we need is another activist president.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57428 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:20 am to
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Why the frick would a person choose rounding up trash instead of being a doctor?


When all incentive to excel is taken away from you and given to someone who does not strive for that same goal, then the motivation to be better than the guy next to you fails.

This isn't a hypothetical, it's human nature, and the very reason socialism doesn't work.

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Most people who enter the field do it because they want to become doctors or nurses.


Are you 5 fricking years old? "Most people enter the medical field because they want to become doctors or nurses"? No shite sherlock. They go through grueling academic study. And you want to indenture them? Why? So you're sorry arse can benefit from their hard work? frick you.

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Also it's not like a doctor's wages will suddenly become equal to a custodians


Good luck collecting reimbursement from fedgov. One of the reasons medical costs are so high in the first place, is the reliance on state/fed dollar repayment for services. Not to mention, you have to employ a fricking army to recoup your medical expenses and undoubtedly, LaShawnda at the state/fed office for medical reimbursement doesn't know what the frick she is doing and is reading from the script of what you can be reimbursed for. Something tells me, A) you're not an adult and B) you've never had to deal with a state office before.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57428 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:20 am to
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Many would if there was full cooperation and fair implementation.


Name them.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138557 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:22 am to
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however, when we get into the Green New Deal (or equivalents), then yeah you're going to find it difficult to argue it won't destroy our economy (Since that's kind of the point of those programs at their heart)

The mastermind behind that plan overtly stated it had nothing to do with the environment and was designed to "take down capitalism".
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:23 am to
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Yeah the thing is not everyone agrees this is actually true,


I don't see how anyone with a basic understanding of economics would think his policies would work, and wouldn't be harmful to most people.

For a short period though, the poorest would benefit and we would have more equal outcomes, if you don't mind a massive pay cut.

Bernies policies would result in a massive outflow of capital from the US.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:23 am to
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I'm curious as to what this means.



Look at the passage of ACA and the subsequent lawsuits aimed at taking it down since its passing. Look at the states that fairly implemented it by expanding Medicaid and setting up their own exchanges and how it has largely been successful in those states. Then look at the states that refused to expand Medicaid and refused to set up their own exchanges, and how it has been far less successful there.

ACA was far from a perfect bill, and with any bill that large and sweeping there are opportunities for improvements and tweaks. All the energy for 10 years now has been on defending or sabotaging the bill, and a lot of those improvements and tweaks haven't been made.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:24 am to
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Look at the passage of ACA and the subsequent lawsuits aimed at taking it down since its passing


There were some very legit legal challenges to the ACA. All legislation should be challenged.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
70866 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:25 am to
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Tulsi





I did enjoy her destroy K. Harris
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:26 am to
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Look at the states that fairly implemented it by expanding Medicaid


At what cost?

It seems like all the policies are great on the surface but I never see the cost or where that money comes from. Everything is just feel good bullshite and leave the bill for the next guy
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57428 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:27 am to
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If you’re born into a poor family and make one mistake (teenage pregnancy, arrested for selling drugs, not finishing high school, etc) you’re fricked.


Sounds like motivation to not frick up.

You feel sorry for the perpetual frick ups in society. I feel sorry for the people that welfare was intended for. Those with actual disabilities. Getting knocked up, or selling drugs, or not finishing FREE school, is not a disability. It's a poor life decision with real consequences. Those people, go to the very back of the line, behind the people that actually need assistance.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:29 am to
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Look at the states that fairly implemented it by expanding Medicaid


Huge mistake in AK. It cost us over 50 million more than we anticipated.

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