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re: Let’s assume the jury got it right.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:06 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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Had he paid her directly, none of this was possible.
And how is it his fault if Cohen took it upon himself to stay on team Trump to pay off stormy when he was approached by Stormy’s legal representative?
Cohen did it without telling Trump and then BILLED him for it.
That’s why this whole sham is BS
This post was edited on 5/31/24 at 9:07 am
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Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:06 am to OysterPoBoy
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Hey, I’m just glad they got him off the streets.
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Let’s assume the jury got it right.
Dishonesty: engaged
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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Uh, yeah...hence the charge of falsifying business records
This is the scary part. There are probably many more businesses in NY alone that have done this. And they will never be pursued like Trump. The pretext opens all kinds of possibilities to attack political opponents going forward. Remember, this DA campaigned for the job by stating he would get Trump.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:07 am to memphisplaya
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And how is it his fault if Cohen took it upon himself to stay on team Trump to pay off stormy when he was approached by Stormy’s legal representative?
Cohen did it without telling Trump and then BILLED him for it.
Did you not read the thread title?
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Let’s assume the jury got it right.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:08 am to NineLineBind
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There are probably many more businesses in NY alone that have done this.
Correct. It's a wacky law.
This is the same law used in the admin-civil proceeding with the $450M judgment.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:10 am to OysterPoBoy
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What could Trump have done differently to not be a felon?
He should have followed Hillary’s lead. However Hillary paid for the Steele Dossier seemed to keep her out of hot water.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:11 am to NineLineBind
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There are probably many more businesses in NY alone that have done this. And they will never be pursued like Trump.
In Bragg's first 15 months on the job, the Manhattan DA's office filed 166 felony counts for falsifying business records against 34 defendants from all walks of life.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:12 am to lsuguy84
Crazy coincidence charges are brought up years later just before an election.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:12 am to OysterPoBoy
he shouldn't have called paying his lawyer "legal fees" especially negotiating and completing a legal contract. We all know that's sheetrock.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:15 am to Green Chili Tiger
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In Bragg's first 15 months on the job, the Manhattan DA's office filed 166 felony counts for falsifying business records against 34 defendants from all walks of life.
Were they also expedited to trial to get ahead of an election? Just curious.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:16 am to I20goon
If that would have happened,Cohen would have had his balls in a vice. I would imagine with invoice numbers, check numbers and amounts that would have taken about 15 seconds to figure out.
He was in a no win situation and from the looks of it, one of his biggest issues is the people he depends on for advice.
He was in a no win situation and from the looks of it, one of his biggest issues is the people he depends on for advice.
This post was edited on 5/31/24 at 9:17 am
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:16 am to I20goon
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he shouldn't have called paying his lawyer "legal fees" especially negotiating and completing a legal contract. We all know that's sheetrock.
Is it safe to assume that Trump assumed Attorney/Client privilege would protect him here?
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:17 am to I20goon
dbl post
This post was edited on 5/31/24 at 9:17 am
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:17 am to OysterPoBoy
Got "it" right? No one even explained what "it" was.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:21 am to Zachary
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Got "it" right? No one even explained what "it" was.
It's a novel legal theory, but it's not necessarily wrong. It's just really really really bad optics to use this novel theory to prosecute a former president.
1. Trump used Cohen to pay off Stormy. Instead of correctly labeling it as a payoff, or paying her directly, he called it part of his retainer fees to cohen. This is just a misdemeanor.
2. The novel legal theory is that Trump intentially did this to hide the payment because he wanted to run for President. Thus raising this to a campaign finance violation and making it a felony.
That's my attempt at a laymen's explanation.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:23 am to SidewalkDawg
quote:privilege was breeched by crime-fraud exception in April 2018 when Cohen's office was searched by FBI under warrant from Rosenstein (yes, the Russia hoax guy).
Is it safe to assume that Trump assumed Attorney/Client privilege would protect him here?
The crime: paying Stormy Daniels hush money
(which is not a crime)
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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Uh, yeah...hence the charge of falsifying business records
This where I think Trump attorneys failed. Trump is the brand of Trump businesses, this has been stated and argued many times in the media. So if Trump is the brand then the payment to his attorney is a legitimate expense.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:37 am to OysterPoBoy
The crime is falsifying financial disclosures - typically something that people just pay a fine, and go about life
Trump claimed he didn't sleep with the porn star, he didn't know about the payments, and it was all something the Cohen did without his knowledge. That was his defense, His not-guilty position is why this happened. The trial was to show Trump knew by showing evidence and testimony from his inner circle.
If he had just pled no-contest it likely would have never seen a court room, be less than a week in the news cycle, and then forgotten.
Having his wife and daughter with him might have helped the jury believe him. Its pretty obvious Trump asked and they refused. Ivanka is likely creeped out her father imagines his whores look like her. And Melania is just watching the clock.
Trump claimed he didn't sleep with the porn star, he didn't know about the payments, and it was all something the Cohen did without his knowledge. That was his defense, His not-guilty position is why this happened. The trial was to show Trump knew by showing evidence and testimony from his inner circle.
If he had just pled no-contest it likely would have never seen a court room, be less than a week in the news cycle, and then forgotten.
Having his wife and daughter with him might have helped the jury believe him. Its pretty obvious Trump asked and they refused. Ivanka is likely creeped out her father imagines his whores look like her. And Melania is just watching the clock.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:40 am to fwtex
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This where I think Trump attorneys failed.
Oh 100%
Cohen was an idiot. That's why he was Trump's fixer and not Trump's corporate lawyer
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So if Trump is the brand then the payment to his attorney is a legitimate expense.
Not if it's to conceal what the money was actually for. That's the rub.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:46 am to OysterPoBoy
He could have properly identified/classified the payments such that they complied with campaign finance laws and New York state’s laws regarding fidelity of business records.
This is simple stuff.
This is simple stuff.
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