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re: Louisiana HB131 - Constitutional Carry
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:44 pm to Gaspergou202
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:44 pm to Gaspergou202
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Well that’s not true. Age restrictions at 18 adulthood are legal. Although I owned my first shotgun at 13.
And convicted felons can be barred for life.
And if you are legally proven to be mentally incompetent, psychologically dangerous, or a real threat to someone in a court of law with full legal appeal you can be barred.
Accepting these restrictions puts you in the minority amongst PoliBoard 2A scholars, btw.
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:45 pm to Kino74
What is a center hold?
Posted on 6/6/23 at 4:14 pm to zeebo
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What is a center hold?
Posted on 6/6/23 at 4:22 pm to Indefatigable
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reasonable restrictions
Posted on 6/6/23 at 4:50 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
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Well, if you’re abiding by the law (and not being a felon in possession of a firearm or illegally carrying weapons - both gun restrictions), this wouldn’t bother you.
Piss all the way off. You don't deserve a single right and we all know now you wouldnt fight to keep them.
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The purpose of the list is to ensure that you’re one of the people who completed training to conceal your firearm (that separates the law abiding folks from the criminals). People who are law abiding would actually support this, because it could be used as a tool to get guns out of the hands of criminals.
It's none of their business who has this training. It should have remained optional. Nobody is going to learn much and most will just click through it. It's simply another arbitrary hurdle that does nothing. You are funny thinking any of these amendments actually stop criminals or will educate gun owners. It's a list for law enforcement that they would otherwise lose without having the permit.
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It’s kind of how we use sex offender registries to separate the sex offenders (criminals) from the non-sex offenders (law abiding citizens).
Did you just compare sex offenders with the 2A?
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:10 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
Go look up “defacto”
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:12 pm to tommy2tone1999
If you are a veteran you can conceal carry now without a permit.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:20 pm to tommy2tone1999
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Anyone know why?
Louisiana is a blue state.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:20 pm to tommy2tone1999
Sheriffs association
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:32 pm to Herooftheday
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Did you just compare sex offenders with the 2A?
No. I compared the government’s use of sex offender registries to separate criminals (sex offenders) from law-abiding citizens (non-sex offenders) with the amendment’s requirement to complete an online safety course (law abiding gun owners versus criminals).
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 6/7/23 at 9:51 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
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amendment’s requirement to complete an online safety course (law abiding gun owners versus criminals).
You realize this amendment will create criminals right? Whats the dang point of forgoing licenses in place of a training proof card? Bother are mandated to be carried, both require you to announce you are carrying, and both make you a felon if you don't have them on you. It's not constitutional carry, it's licensed carry still. It's not constitutional carry at all. I don't blame McCormick for pulling it.
It's still hoops and hurdles and gate keeping by the state. They turned the bill into what we got today. Hell they even amended it back to age 21. I'll remind you that this bill already passed the House with veto proof majority. This bill needed no amendments to pass the Senate. This committee was tasked by the LSA to kill or gut the bill.
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 6/8/23 at 5:58 am to tommy2tone1999
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Anyone know why?
Simple.
Someone pointed out that the state would lose $4,000,000 in revenue from the sale of permits.
Period.
Money...money...money.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 6:02 am to Herooftheday
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You realize this amendment will create criminals right? Whats the dang point of forgoing licenses in place of a training proof card? Bother are mandated to be carried, both require you to announce you are carrying, and both make you a felon if you don't have them on you. It's not constitutional carry, it's licensed carry still. It's not constitutional carry at all. I don't blame McCormick for pulling it.
It's still hoops and hurdles and gate keeping by the state. They turned the bill into what we got today. Hell they even amended it back to age 21. I'll remind you that this bill already passed the House with veto proof majority. This bill needed no amendments to pass the Senate. This committee was tasked by the LSA to kill or gut the bill
Correct.
I have a CHP and will continue to have it even if this were to pass (for reciprocity and easier firearm purchases), but those that support constitutional carry should be happy it was pulled.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:13 am to DMAN1968
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Period. Money...money...money.
Wrong.
The Executive Director of the Louisiana Police Chiefs Association testified that allowing concealed carry without permitting would make it harder for law enforcement to do their jobs. Statistics were provided showing that crime and gun violence deaths have increased by a figure of 30% in states that have approved concealed carry with no permitting, training, or safety requirements.
Not one law enforcement entity (Louisiana Sheriffs, DA’s, Police Chiefs, or State Police, or AG) showed support for this bill.
Is it the consensus of the Poli Board that we don’t support law enforcement, all of a sudden?
This post was edited on 6/8/23 at 11:17 am
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:19 am to Herooftheday
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It's still hoops and hurdles and gate keeping by the state.
The state gate keeps speech (libel and slander is not allowed, you can’t post up porn billboards in states, etc.), property (eminent domain), and other fundamental rights all the time.
The small requirement that you attend a training course to receive the permit isn’t that high of a hurdle to cross.
This post was edited on 6/14/23 at 12:55 pm
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