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re: Medicare pays hospitals $13,000 per COVID patient - $39,000 if on ventilator
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:19 am to gthog61
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:19 am to gthog61
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cha ching
Lol. That $39k is about 20% more than the standard reimbursement for an LTAC patient. The hospital is not getting rich off of $39k for a patient in ICU on a vent for a month.
I believe this is only for the uninsured as well.
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:19 am to longwayfromLA
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You do understand that the hospital will receive next to nothing for that second admit, right?
Different hospital, sport. Different diagnosis, also.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:19 am to The Boat
quote:For some huge fraud scheme that still loses us money anyway? That sounds genius!
All the more reason to cook the Covid numbers for some guaranteed money.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:19 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Meh....hospitals are much better off doing elective surgeries than trying to keep their lights on with COVID patients.
The outpatient surgery my child had was $80k out of pocket without insurance. My insurance paid for it, but you should get my point.
The outpatient surgery my child had was $80k out of pocket without insurance. My insurance paid for it, but you should get my point.
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 8:20 am
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:20 am to lsupride87
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We lose our arse once they go on a vent and become patients for weeks on end in the inpatient setting Best case scenario for us is they come in, and we are able to push some meds and get the out quickly
I'm not sure what the laughing is about, its the only money the hospital is making. The hospitals in my area are basically closed down, unless there is an emergency. We've known since February that the vents were more or less worthless, you can go check my posts from almost a month ago.
I would say the medical system as a whole is a racket in this country, but probably a discussion for another time.
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 8:22 am
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:21 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
quote:Because you are insinuating we are pushing vents in order to make money
I'm not sure what the laughing is about
We make more per patient if we get them in and out quickly off the vent than we do if they get vented. WE LOSE MONEY ON VENTED PATIENTS
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 8:22 am
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:22 am to Antonio Moss
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Do you know what a medical assumption is and how often they are used?
Weren't you the very one arguing on here that hospitals weren't doing this? Right up until someone posted the guidelines that indeed they were told to record corona with NO test to back it up?
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:24 am to lsupride87
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Because you are insinuating we are pushing vents in order to make money
We make more per patient if we get them in and out quickly off the vent than we do if they get vented
Sure, but the vents are more or less useless with this disease. The vents are waste of time, generally speaking... we have known this since February. Yet, all we hear is vents, vents, vents, etc. People being put on vents is another revenue stream before the line items is scratched i.e. death.
Now you got all these manufacturers making vents which are not needed and do no good.
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 8:26 am
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:26 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
quote:Make sure to tell the doctor you dont want a vent
People being put on vents is another revenue stream before the line items is scratched i.e. death.
For patients under 70, roughly 50% who go on a vent are surviving and coming off of it for us
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:26 am to longwayfromLA
Posters here aren’t interested in the truth, they’ve decided the virus is a hospital money making scheme and a democratic hoax so they’ll only accept evidence that goes along with their conclusion.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:26 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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and others have been saying this since it started, the vents are an ATM.
Been a few 100 shifts so I bet the numbers are less. But we had an old respiratory patient waiting for an ICU bed. He crapped out hours later and needed a tube. I grabbed the ER doc who never saw the woman and said “hey she ain’t cutting it”. We walked in and tubed her. Told the doc thanks for not being a dick about paging her admitting doc or the ICU intensivist. He said “hell, thank you I made $1200 in ten minutes. “ lol.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:27 am to lsupride87
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Yes, it does
Unless you assume the random nurses, doctors, and coders who arent incentivised at all with reimbursement rates are cooking the books.
Or are you insinuating hospital admin is going into charts and committing extreme fraud?
That’s not at all what I’m saying. The hospitals know they are being reimbursed well for COVID, or COVID related claims. That has been made public.
Anyone that has symptoms related to COVID is getting a test, and then some.
Why are pneumonia deaths down sharply this last month? They’re getting coded as COVID. It’s not fraudulent or nefarious...it’s just what happens when facilities know their reimbursements.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:27 am to League Champs
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Different hospital, sport. Different diagnosis, also.
In that case, the first hospital will still get a reimbursement penalty, sport. Hard to pad charges if you don't get paid.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:27 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Dr. Scott Jensen (on Laura Ingraham last night) said Medicare pays hospitals $13,000 per COVID patient - $39,000 if on ventilator.
And they have shite down everything else. They are losing their arse if this is their only income.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:28 am to lsupride87
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Make sure to tell the doctor you dont want a vent
For patients under 70, roughly 50% who go on a vent are surviving and coming off of it for us
And what is the survival rate going to be over 1 month, 6 months and 1 year... probably not good. As I said its a generalization, but they're putting everyone on the vents i.e. $$$. Collect what you can.
(Please see my post history, this was all spoken about a month ago... welcome to mid March)
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 8:29 am
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:29 am to lsupride87
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We are getting buttraped financially because of this
Is this your argument for why hospitals would play games with the numbers. Getting buttraped financially seems like a strong motivation to cook the books.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:30 am to lsupride87
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For some huge fraud scheme that still loses us money anyway? That sounds genius!
Y’all are also getting bailed out separately in the stimulus bill. I actually understand and largely agree with the move. But it unfortunately changes how things operate in the short term.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:30 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
quote:You are talking out of your arse
they're putting everyone on the vents i.e. $$$. Collect what you can.
They are stressing everyday do anything and everything you can to keep your patient off a vent
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:31 am to Golfer
quote:It seems from your earlier post you dont want us to test for covid and put it in their chart if they do have it?
Y’all are also getting bailed out separately in the stimulus bill. I actually understand and largely agree with the move. But it unfortunately changes how things operate in the short term.
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Anyone that has symptoms related to COVID is getting a test, and then some.
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 8:32 am
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:32 am to lsupride87
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You are talking out of your arse They are stressing everyday do anything and everything you can to keep your patient off a vent
Well, that is a different discussion, what I and others have said from the beginning, see my post history. Keep the at risk people as far away from the hospital, as once they get there... they're chances are not good once they get to the hospitals. They hospitals are the spreaders.
Self-isolate.
The only one talking out of their arse is you, it was the same stupid mentality people were crying about vents, vents, vents. Of course, right now its the only money maker.... meaning you make as much off the line item until its no longer billable.
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 8:36 am
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