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re: My friend's cousins are stranded in Kabul
Posted on 8/17/21 at 2:03 pm to 14&Counting
Posted on 8/17/21 at 2:03 pm to 14&Counting
Unless you're a Christian, you really have NO IDEA about what you're talking and are truly showing your ignorance with posts such as these.
Post Less.
Post Less.
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 2:03 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
Quoting scripture to criticize people personally is classic
Posted on 8/17/21 at 2:06 pm to burger bearcat
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Just got word that my wife and I good friend's cousin and his wife are both missionary workers who are stranded in Kabul and no one has been able to reach them. What a terrible situation.
According to the administrator they had every chance to escape. If the worst happens then Biden and Harris and everyone in the administration need to be charged as accomplices to murder. It’s probably not much help to you and your friends but I hav faith that if they are doing the Lord’s work then the Lord will protect them. If the worst happens then it was just their time and they will be welcomed into heaven with blaring trumpets.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 2:15 pm to ShoeBang
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All modern protestant christian religions come from catholocism as their root religion.
Not every church is a protestant church and the catholic church didn't exist for 300 years until founded by Constantine. Also historical fact as opposed to catholic dogma about "everything is Catholic!" Which while technically true in a semantic argument is intellectually dishonest.
You claimed initially that all churches get all their teachings from Catholicism. Now you've backtracked to modern protestant churches have their roots in Catholocism. Also intellectually dishonest.
But repeating Catholic teachings as fact while rejecting the Bible still makes you a good Catholic. As I said.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 2:26 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
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Unless you're a Christian, you really have NO IDEA about what you're talking and are truly showing your ignorance with posts such as these.
Worst argument ever. You don't have to be a Christian to have an opinion, just like you don't have to be a democrat to have an opinion on democrat governance and procedure. You don't have to be a former Pope to have an opinion on the doings of the Pope. Police, dog catcher, mayor, preacher, business owner, etc.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 2:42 pm to squid_hunt
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catholic church didn't exist for 300 years until founded by Constantine
So where does your religion come from in those 300 years and what is the religion's name if not Catholic? I will honestly educate myself. Which one? Or is yours older than Catholicism?
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"everything is Catholic!"
I'm here to be educated. My understanding is that the Apostles were the original church much like the founding fathers of the USA didn't exactly come up with our current form of government/constitution until after the Articles of Confederation came and went. The USA as we know it today was different then than now but I think we all acknowledge it as the USA right?
Are there any other Churches who can draw a line from their leaders today to men who walked with Jesus directly? Not that I agree with the notion of how the Church handled itself historically but I was taught that Pete was the first pope essentially.
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But repeating Catholic teachings as fact while rejecting the Bible still makes you a good Catholic. As I said
First, I learned about the protestant reformation and how it spawned the protestant religions in World History, not religion class.
Being raised catholic and being catholic are two different things my friend. The issue is I have no other lens to view it through. Willing to learn.
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You claimed initially that all churches get all their teachings from Catholicism.
I stand by the idea that without a Catholic Church to break from, without a basis to change to their liking, Christianity and all its different flavors would most likely not exist at all or not be nearly as prominent as they are today. What is wrong with that reasoning?
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Now you've backtracked to modern protestant churches have their roots in Catholocism. Also intellectually dishonest.
I only made the concession because someone pointed out the 300 years before there was an official Church, which is fair enough. I was taught St Peter was the first Pope, eve if the Church was not official yet.
I'd like someone to point to what religion Lutheran, Baptist, Pentecostal, Methodist, Episcopal, etc are based on if not Catholicism. I was taught what I was taught. Willing to learn.
I also stand by the fact that Baptists hating Catholics (for example) is hypocrisy of the highest order, because they probably have 95% of the exact same beliefs.
I do notice how uppity protestants get when you compare them to Catholics as if Catholics don't believe in the same Jesus.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 2:44 pm to burger bearcat
No need to worry, moslems are peaceful.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 2:54 pm to 14&Counting
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I am sorry but you have to have something of a death wish to go into Afghanistan to convert people to Christianity.
It is a region that is historically Christian.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 2:59 pm to ShoeBang
It takes a special kind of a-hole to turn a thread about missionaries facing likely death overseas into a diatribe over how evil certain denominations of Christianity are.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:19 pm to teke184
Ok. Good news is TD is not real life anyway
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:21 pm to ShoeBang
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So where does your religion come from in those 300 years and what is the religion's name if not Catholic?
The Bible. The apostles. The same place it comes from now.
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. My understanding is that the Apostles were the original church much like the founding fathers of the USA didn't exactly come up with our current form of government/constitution
You sum the issue up nicely. Catholics no more invented Christianity than the Pharisees with their traditions invented the law. The apostles were not the Catholic church. They were the church of Christ. Which we all are if we accept Christ, not your church and its unfounded traditions.
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Are there any other Churches who can draw a line from their leaders today to men who walked with Jesus directly?
That is not the requirement. The requirement is those who believe in Christ and accept God's word. The foundation of the church is the apostles and prophets, found...in the Bible. There was no such thing as a pope when Peter was walking around because there was no Catholic Church.
Do you consider all the murder and persecution of the Catholic Church of Christians and gross corruption of its officers to be hypocrisy or nah, that's cool? Whatever else it does, Catholicism teaches damnable heresy and per the Bible should be rejected.
You seem really invested in Catholocism for being an unbeliever.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:21 pm to Padme
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I don’t even want to say what I heard they are doing to Christians.
What did you hear and how did you hear it? Is it reliable?
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:30 pm to Northwestern tiger
You are such a POS as a human being.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:36 pm to teke184
I was about to post this.
The pure hate of Christianity in the USA today is off the charts
The pure hate of Christianity in the USA today is off the charts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:40 pm to ShoeBang
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My understanding is that the Apostles were the original church much like the founding fathers of the USA didn't exactly come up with our current form of government/constitution until after the Articles of Confederation came and went. The USA as we know it today was different then than now but I think we all acknowledge it as the USA right?
1776 to 1787 is a little different that 300 years, friend. The Catholic Church co-opted the Apostles. None of them were Catholic.
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I stand by the idea that without a Catholic Church to break from, without a basis to change to their liking
The Catholic Church may predate the Bible, but it doesn't predate the writings or the gospel. And maybe the Catholic Church did carry it forward, but they also worked tirelessly to destroy any Christian religious sect outside of Catholicism, right?
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I'd like someone to point to what religion Lutheran, Baptist, Pentecostal, Methodist, Episcopal, etc are based on if not Catholicism.
Can't speak for all of them, but the answer is pretty easy. The writings and teaching of God, and His Son Jesus.
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I also stand by the fact that Baptists hating Catholics (for example) is hypocrisy of the highest order, because they probably have 95% of the exact same beliefs.
Um, no. Already discussed that hating Catholicism and Catholics are two different things, but the same beliefs?
You won't find many Baptists confessing their sins to another man, and having that man bestow absolution upon you. You won't find Baptists deifying or worshipping their clergy, declaring them holy, a saint, or claiming their infallibility. Never seen a Baptist church put their church, and all the theatrical pomp and circumstance ahead of the Word of God, either.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:45 pm to squid_hunt
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squid_hunt
You are really hard up to find a way where I am somehow some devout Catholic.
Again, being raised Catholic and actually believing are two different things, and I feel like you keep attacking me when I don't even think of myself as a christian much less some particular flavor.
This all started when FooMan felt the need to point out how he wasn't going to bash Catholics as if that was some sort of favor to everyone else and I just pointed out that A "Christian" bashing a "Catholic" is hypocritical when your beliefs are fundamentally exactly the same because they come from the same place. Then the semantics started and people get all uppity. I was corrected on a few things and admitted as much and constantly stated how I was willing to learn, but could only come from a lens of my upbringing.
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not your church and its unfounded traditions.
Never claimed it as my church but you can have that assumption. I claim no church and no religion because Christianity has shown me exactly the same proof as Hinduism for example. They are all equally unbelievable to me. I happen to come from a catholic family but never believed any of it anyway.
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Do you consider all the murder and persecution of the Catholic Church of Christians and gross corruption of its officers to be hypocrisy or nah, that's cool? Whatever else it does, Catholicism teaches damnable heresy and per the Bible should be rejected.
You seem really invested in Catholocism for being an unbeliever.
And there is is. You are trying to confirm your assumption.
I personally think the Church should be disbanded because Large top-down leadership of a group that big, with that much power, should never be allowed. We see the fruits of their evil every day. I believe most of the current Cardinals should be in jail and worse for their coverup of pedos in the clergy.
I lean this way because catholocism is how I was taught, thus I have to view all religion from that lens and how it differs from the BS i was fed. I hope that makes sense.
I 100% stand by calling out any so-called Christian bashing anyone who is devoutly Catholic and can see the message in all the bullshite. If you don't like someone because they are a practicing Catholic, you are the sinner, not them. Plain and simple.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:51 pm to ShoeBang
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shoebang
I'm pretty well indifferent to what you believe other thsn Jesus Christ. I find it funny you're taking stands on church positions. Either way, you've shifted goal posts, beaten up strawmen, misconstrued, and ignored clear rebuttals. You're intellectually dishonest and like most so called unbelievers who feel the need to run in and insult the church at every opportunity, likely struggling with your beliefs. That's fine. It's perfectly reasonable in your position. But the answer is Jesus Christ, not some religious organization of any stripe.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:54 pm to ShoeBang
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If you don't like someone because they are a practicing Catholic, you are the sinner, not them. Plain and simple.
Agree completely. But then in a previous breath, you talk about the fact that Baptists hate Catholics. I've been a Baptist for all of my 51 years, not a good one mind you, but a Baptist nonetheless, and I have never seen hate of any kind, to anyone, be seen as anything but a sin.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:54 pm to Rhino5
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There’s unfortunately no way to believe we have every American safe at the airport.
I guess the question now is, what happens if many of these people are never heard from again? You know the Taliban will coverup every crime that they commit. Also, this administration has gutted our military/intelligent services to the point that all they have been doing is putting people in charge of things that they are not qualified to understand anything but social engineering IMO.
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 4:29 pm
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