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re: Need help finding video of Black ex-cop breaking down Ahmaud Arbery case
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:16 pm to yesyesyall
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:16 pm to yesyesyall
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felony burglary is a felony, and he was attempting to escape, right?
And again, Greg Mcmichael, who initiated the pursuit had seen the previous videos which showed NO EVIDENCE of theft AND the homeowner has confirmed that there was NEVER anything taken so there was no reasonable information to suggest a felony had occurred, ever.
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Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:20 pm to More&Les
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And again, Greg Mcmichael, who initiated the pursuit had seen the previous videos which showed NO EVIDENCE of theft AND the homeowner has confirmed that there was NEVER anything taken so there was no reasonable information to suggest a felony had occurred, ever.
and again, mcmichael suspected arbery had committed felony burglary (entering a premises with the intent to commit any crime) on the day he was being chased, and when arbery *fled*, that opened up the justification of "reasonable suspicion" to make a citizen's arrest, right?
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:21 pm to More&Les
Also, multiple people have confirmed Arbery jogging in that area for a long time, regularly, if you look at the original video, he is clearly running at a joggers pace and he never strayed from the road so its gonna be hard to make the case that he was attempting to escape.
He may simply have been trying to avoid the three psychos stalking him and screaming at him....
He may simply have been trying to avoid the three psychos stalking him and screaming at him....
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:24 pm to yesyesyall
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and again, mcmichael suspected arbery had committed felony burglary (entering a premises with the intent to commit any crime) on the day he was being chased, and when arbery *fled*, that opened up the justification of "reasonable suspicion" to make a citizen's arrest, right?
Its not reasonable. Greg, a former leo has viewed multiple videos of the suspect NOT stealing a single damn thing, how does that give him reason to believe the empty handed dude running at a joggers pace is escaping a felonious burglary?
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:26 pm to yesyesyall
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felony burglary is a felony, and he was attempting to escape, right?
You are never going to get this through his skull. People like him cannot differentiate. He’s up in his feels because of something he watched on the internet.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:27 pm to Errerrerrwere
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You are never going to get this through his skull. People like him cannot differentiate. He’s up in his feels because of something he watched on the internet.
I thought we agreed that your clueless arse was fricking off? Please frick on off again
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:29 pm to More&Les
Ok. Mr Conservative, Race Pimp!
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:30 pm to More&Les
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Also, multiple people have confirmed Arbery jogging in that area for a long time, regularly, if you look at the original video, he is clearly running at a joggers pace and he never strayed from the road so its gonna be hard to make the case that he was attempting to escape.
but if you look at the security footage from across the street, you can see arbery *walks* down the street and into the house. as he's spotted by the neighbor who called 911, that's the very first point in any video evidence (as of now) that shows arbery running (note: not jogging) or doing anything faster than walking.
see here or here
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:31 pm to yesyesyall
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so like i said, what is your issue from a legal, factual perspective?
That nothing offered into evidence this far, no matter the light it paints Arbery in, legally removes the accused from all culpability. Moreover, they ADMITTED TO A FELONY IN THEIR POLICE STATEMENT.
Even best case scenario for them they have admitted to a crime which allows for up to 10 years in jail. And that’s ignoring he fact that, unless something else comes out, they are also guilty of voluntary manslaughter under Georgia law even if Arbery attacked first as his death occurred during the commission of a class C felony in Georgia (brandishing a weapon with threatening intent).
The law doesn’t let you get off scot free claiming self defense if a death was in part the result of negligence or crimes committed prior to your life being in danger. Arbery wouldn’t be dead today if not for a crime committed prior to his death by the accused, so they stand in judgement regardless of whether it was legally murder or not.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:33 pm to More&Les
How much dumb shite has been posted in this thread? Don't feel like reading through 6 pages.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:33 pm to yesyesyall
But it's not in his presence or his immediate knowledge so there cant be any reasonable suspicion.
Like if the dude was walking out with a tv and mcdumbass saw him he can have reasonable suspicions he is felony thieving.
Like if the dude was walking out with a tv and mcdumbass saw him he can have reasonable suspicions he is felony thieving.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:36 pm to More&Les
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Its not reasonable. Greg, a former leo has viewed multiple videos of the suspect NOT stealing a single damn thing, how does that give him reason to believe the empty handed dude running at a joggers pace is escaping a felonious burglary?
you're trying to characterize his *bolting* from the house as "running at a joggers pace," and that's just not accurate. see the footage from the security camera across the street.
greg the former LEO had also investigated arbery before, knew who he was, and in all likelihood, arbery recognized mcmichael too. small town'd. his reason to suspect felonious behavior may be bolstered by those past events, i'm not sure how that works.
but if they recognized each other, i.e. if arbery knew that the mcmichaels had positively ID'd him, that may explain the desperate kamikaze move of going for the shotgun.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:38 pm to SuperFanDan
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:39 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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But it's not in his presence or his immediate knowledge so there cant be any reasonable suspicion.
Like if the dude was walking out with a tv and mcdumbass saw him he can have reasonable suspicions he is felony thieving.
his *flight* is what opens him up to reasonable suspicion, according to the statute that's been quoted here.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:40 pm to yesyesyall
None of that will help the McMichaels in their case.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:41 pm to yesyesyall
how so exactly? you are allowed to run from fricking over aggressive rednecks - if that is in fact what he was doing.
Seems like mcdumbass really fricked over his kid though. That dude probably just wanted to make pops proud
Seems like mcdumbass really fricked over his kid though. That dude probably just wanted to make pops proud
This post was edited on 5/15/20 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:42 pm to Roger Klarvin
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occurred during the commission of a class C felony in Georgia (brandishing a weapon with threatening intent).
I don’t necessarily disagree with you here, but it seems to me that the definition of “brandishing a weapon with threatening intent“ will need to be examined.
There’s a fine line between simply possessing a shotgun (perhaps for self-defense) and brandishing a shotgun.
I agree, from the limited things I’ve seen and read about this case, that the father-son duo were Unjustifiably overly aggressive in confronting Aubrey, which negates their self-defense defense. But, it may not be so obvious as you claim.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:42 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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how so exactly? you are allowed to run from fricking over aggressive rednecks - if that is in fact what he was doing.
bruh. meet me halfway, huh? your answer's in the top post of this page (page 6).
This post was edited on 5/15/20 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:44 pm to yesyesyall
he was in the immediate vicinity of someone running away from him - he wasn't in the immediate vicinity of someone who had seen commit a felony / stealing something.
ETA: I didn't have the top post in this page so I assume you meant my first post in this page
ETA: I didn't have the top post in this page so I assume you meant my first post in this page
This post was edited on 5/15/20 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:47 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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case by JohnnyKilroy
How much dumb shite has been posted in this thread? Don't feel like reading through 6 pages.
Oddly, not as much as the other but there is a slowmo video on p1 that shows McDumbass Jr pointing his shotgun at Arbery well before the "attack"
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