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re: New Ahmaud Arbery video from 2017
Posted on 5/19/20 at 2:09 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 5/19/20 at 2:09 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I'd be surprised if virtually every adult had not done this at some point. It's basically a suburban pastime.
I would be shocked if less than 90% of those living in a subdivision with new construction had not done it in multiple homes. "Oh ok, this is where the kitchen is going to be honey. It is a lot bigger than our kitchen. I really like the tray ceilings in here" etc etc......
Posted on 5/19/20 at 2:12 pm to roadGator
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Someone has never experienced a social justice professor in most any sociology department.
I have not, what information did the professor(s) teach you?
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 5/19/20 at 2:21 pm to mouton
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"Oh ok, this is where the kitchen is going to be honey. It is a lot bigger than our kitchen. I really like the tray ceilings in here" etc etc......
Posted on 5/19/20 at 2:34 pm to IHateToThinkIDidnt
In your research, were the blacks responsible for the crime arrested and serving time?
Posted on 5/19/20 at 2:39 pm to Wolfhound45
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Trust me, Officer Rash will eventually figure prominently into this. And by extension, I can guarantee you that the District Attorney will too.
I don't doubt this, I just don't see any potential for this to change the legality (or not) of the events that occurred on the street.
Like I said, I fully expect them to take a beating in a civil suit, but I think they walk on criminal charges.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 2:42 pm to CptRusty
quote:Aggravated assault that led to murder. They had no legal basis to attempt a citizens arrest.
I don't doubt this, I just don't see any potential for this to change the legality (or not) of the events that occurred on the street.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 2:43 pm to More&Les
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Don't put any real money on it
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They committed textbook aggravated assault per Georgia law
Admittedly I haven't followed this particularly closely, but I haven't heard this take yet. What action did they take which constitutes assault?
Posted on 5/19/20 at 2:44 pm to Wolfhound45
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They had no legal basis to attempt a citizens arrest.
Ah, yes. This is the crux of the entire case.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 2:49 pm to Lindbergh
Still don’t know why this guy had to die. He may not have been a choir boy.
I understand that the MSM typically seeks to wrongly portray the victim as a choir boy to heighten the divisiveness between racial and political factions. I have a big issue with how guys like this are portrayed in such a positive light, but that’s necessary to draw attention to the crime. If they reported the guys known faults then few would care. It’s classic media manipulation.
The above stated, it still does nothing to change the impression that those ole boys had no cause to take this guys life.
I understand that the MSM typically seeks to wrongly portray the victim as a choir boy to heighten the divisiveness between racial and political factions. I have a big issue with how guys like this are portrayed in such a positive light, but that’s necessary to draw attention to the crime. If they reported the guys known faults then few would care. It’s classic media manipulation.
The above stated, it still does nothing to change the impression that those ole boys had no cause to take this guys life.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 2:49 pm to CptRusty
quote:Correct. There was no felony (a required element). The only reported crime was criminal trespassing (a misdemeanor). They have to observe it (they admittedly did not) or have direct knowledge of it (they adminttedly did not).
Ah, yes. This is the crux of the entire case.
All they have (from the police report at the scene) is knowledge of the subject from videos they had previously seen (who provided those videos to them - that is going to be interesting) entering the construction site.
This is going to be incredibly ugly. Monumentally stupid.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 2:53 pm to Wolfhound45
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There was no felony (a required element).
Not quite.
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In Georgia, the law states that a private person may arrest someone if a crime is committed in his presence or “within his immediate knowledge.” But if it is a felony, the citizen can stop someone from escaping if the citizen has “reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.
This is pretty open ended, at least to a lay persons (my) ears.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 2:59 pm to CptRusty
Fair enough. We can agree to disagree. But there was no felony. And they did not meet the other two elements.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 3:02 pm to CptRusty
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This is pretty open ended, at least to a lay persons (my) ears.
The caselaw is light, as citizen's arrest issues are very uncommonly litigated, but the Georgia courts have said that the "in the presence of" language still applies to felonies.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 3:12 pm to roadGator
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Where is your proof that it’s a large portion of the population?
I don't know how big a portion of the population it is. I'm not the one who made a positive claim about the size of the population.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 3:13 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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The caselaw is light, as citizen's arrest issues are very uncommonly litigated, but the Georgia courts have said that the "in the presence of" language still applies to felonies.
This seems strange. Why would the language include "reasonable suspicion" if the requirement was direct knowledge "in the presence of".
Posted on 5/19/20 at 3:23 pm to mouton
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I would be shocked if less than 90% of those living in a subdivision with new construction had not done it in multiple homes. "Oh ok, this is where the kitchen is going to be honey. It is a lot bigger than our kitchen. I really like the tray ceilings in here" etc etc......
Good luck with that one to the jury.
“Jurors, we know what he did was against the law. But don’t we all kinda do this? Let this one slide so we can feed the media and race pimps in DC. Orange man bad!”
Posted on 5/19/20 at 3:27 pm to Lsuismyfav
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In your research, were the blacks responsible for the crime arrested and serving time?
I bet he can't tell you the victim's entire criminal history either.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 3:33 pm to Errerrerrwere
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“Jurors, we know what he did was against the law. But don’t we all kinda do this? Let this one slide
Wtf are you babbling about now?? Do you even understand who will be on trial.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 3:46 pm to mouton
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Wtf are you babbling about now?? Do you even understand who will be on trial.
They don't
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