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re: Oh boy, 2016 FBI Crime Statistics Have Been Released
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:13 am to Ebbandflow
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:13 am to Ebbandflow
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For example, how many of these people are locked up for drug related crimes? Do we really need those laws?
Drug related crimes? Like killing another dealer to protect your turf. I'm all for legalizing drug dealers killing each other in a controlled manner.
If you mean decriminalize simple possession then I'm on board. Let pot heads be pot heads.
Hell, legalize it all and just don't spend any government money on the cleanup that addicts require.
Do you think the cycle ends when simple possession is legalized?
Fathers will stay with mothers?
Mothers will not have multiple kids they can't afford?
Fathers won't knock up mulitple mothers?
Family unit will be valued again?
Education, commitment to community will be valued again?
You don't even believe that ends the cycle.
So what does? Real talk.
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:16 am to Jump High
Native Americans are clearly the most peaceful people on US soil...they deserve to be back in charge
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:18 am to Ebbandflow
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Its certainly true that black culture needs improvement but youre acting like they havent been disenfranchised and that they arent overly incarcerated.
No. The argument is that the oppression that they are experiencing is a result of the policies that they continue to vote for (i.e. they choose them). You cant' really excuse the black population from the current status quo when their votes are largely to blame for that status quo.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:24 am to moneyg
What's crime like in Africa? Are they being oppressed in Africa?
Maybe Africans are simply different than people that evolved differently over millennia.
Maybe we need to stop pretending that there's some societal remedy for inequality.
Drug laws don't cause this. Poverty doesn't cause it. It's just reality.
Maybe Africans are simply different than people that evolved differently over millennia.
Maybe we need to stop pretending that there's some societal remedy for inequality.
Drug laws don't cause this. Poverty doesn't cause it. It's just reality.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:27 am to bobby_3_sticks
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am not going to bother to find out, as yall won't believe me.
Go for it.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:28 am to Ebbandflow
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Or maybe nurture a society that values taking care of citizens instead of locking them away
How about transforming a culture that cares about education and parental responsibility, those gaps will close
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:31 am to The Levee
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Yes, the facts are black crime is bad, blacks themselves admit this. Fact is a cop whose had 4 bad encounters with a black person is likely to treat the 5th innocent person the exact same way (human nature).
Unfortunately, the "implicit bias training" that all democrats say is so vital to police is basically a "ignore your biological thought processes that you've developed over thousands of years" training class. If you walk down a certain street everyday and a guy with a blue hat punches you in the face, you'll act a certain way every time you see a guy wearing a blue hat and walking down that street.
Cops should handle every situation uniquely to the environment presented, but telling that cop to ignore the instincts they've gained through their experiences, is asking to get them hurt or killed.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:32 am to uway
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Maybe Africans are simply different than people that evolved differently over millennia.
They are, Africans want NOTHING to do with black Americans. I spent some time in Africa when in the Army, and can tell you uneqivocally that the average African simply doesn't want any American blacks in their country. I had a black friend over there who was a good guy, same rank in the Army as I was at the time, he met a local girl, and her dad went ape shite when she told him she was seeing "an American negro" his words, not mine.
So called African Americans have a stereotype for a reason. And whatever the worst racist in America thinks of them, the average black African thinks worse.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 11:38 am
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Or maybe nurture a society that values taking care of citizens instead of locking them away
How about transforming a culture that cares about education and parental responsibility, those gaps will close
No, no, no. Locking people up for committing violent crimes is just causing more harm.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:35 am to Rawdawgs
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It is worse than that. Blacks make up 13% of the population. Black males half of that. The vast majority of crime is black males age 16-30 yrs old. We are talking about 3-4% of the population being responsible for half the murders in this country. And yet they are outraged that their interaction with police tends to be slightly more confrontational than that of other races.
Yet they are taught from a young age to "RESIST" the cops. And as many of us know this, as it should be common knowledge RESISTING = THIS WILL NOT END WELL ...for the perp.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 11:36 am
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:35 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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. I spent some time in Africa when in the Army, and can tell you uneqivocally that the average American simply doesn't want any American blacks in their country.
Do you mean African?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:37 am to bobby_3_sticks
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this stuff is from infowars. It might be correct, or it might be bunk. I am not going to bother to find out, as yall won't believe me.
I have never been to infowars. This came from Ben Shapiro (he actually listed the names of the legislators) and several other legitimate speakers. Now granted those legistotors did take it to the Clintons who helped to get it passed while using it as campaign fodder.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:37 am to upgrayedd
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Do you mean African?
LOL yes, my bad, perhaps a Freudian slip?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:41 am to roadGator
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Do you think the cycle ends when simple possession is legalized?
I will agree that legalizing drugs as a method of reducing prison population is a bit overblown by the legalization camp (I think weed should be legal FWIW).
These people in jail for drug sales and trafficking are there because it's a lucrative black market item, not because of drugs themselves. If we make all drugs legal and available at every corner store, we would likely have a similar prison population but they would be in there for other black market activities. If we made pizza illegal tomorrow, you would see a similar amount of people in jail for pizza-related offenses. It's the black market that is driving the prison population, not so much the actual product.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:45 am to upgrayedd
""Overincarceration" Is Not A Function Of Drug Prosecution. Federal crack penalties are responsible for less than 5,000 black convicts for year. That’s out of a total federal prison population for blacks of 562,000 black prisoners in the state and federal system. More powder cocaine sentences have been levied than crack cocaine sentences in recent years. And the penalties for distribution of crack and crystal meth are precisely the same on the federal level. Violent offenders represent the largest and growing segment of those in prison, not drug offenders. As MacDonald points out, Barack Obama’s contention that he would have gone to jail for drug use in high school is false, unless he was also dealing. Less than 1 percent of federally sentenced drug offenders were charged with simple possession, and a huge number of those who are sentenced to prison for drug use are largely those who have pled down larger drug charges or criminals who have violated parole through drug use. Actually, when it comes to federal drug prosecutions, Hispanics represent a disproportionate share of those convicted." - Ben Shapro
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:45 am to upgrayedd
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I will agree that legalizing drugs as a method of reducing prison population is a bit overblown by the legalization camp (I think weed should be legal FWIW).
These people in jail for drug sales and trafficking are there because it's a lucrative black market item, not because of drugs themselves. If we make all drugs legal and available at every corner store, we would likely have a similar prison population but they would be in there for other black market activities. If we made pizza illegal tomorrow, you would see a similar amount of people in jail for pizza-related offenses. It's the black market that is driving the prison population, not so much the actual product.
We can add further to this conversation by saying NO ONE is in prison for simple possession. Well not military anyway, simple possession of marijuana in the military can still get you prison time, but that's a different matter altogether.
Now, you will sometimes see people get a ;year or something and officially the charge was simple possession, but then you look deeper and you find out they plead down from felony intent to deliver or something like that . So yes they were not arrested and imprisoned for simple possession, that's just what they plead to.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:45 am to Ebbandflow
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There is a lot of research in this area, but a lot of it is contradictory.
Because a certain group of the population *cough* liberals *cough* don't want to accept that it is a cultural problem. The numbers are clear
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This study of violent crime in deprived neighbourhoods in Cleveland, Ohio, found that reductions in poverty led to reductions in the crime rate in exactly the same way in predominantly black and white areas, suggesting poverty, not race, is the biggest factor."
So with a greater number of poor whites, why do we see more black crime. FOUR TIMES AS MUCH to be exact.
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"All sociologists have suffered from the same basic problem: finding urban white communities that are as disadvantaged as the poorest black neighbourhoods, so that you can get a fair comparison."
So you think living in a city vs rural accounts for all the difference? Because I can certainly find you equally poor white communities
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:46 am to The Pirate King
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You do realize, with that mentality, that you’re part of the problem, right? The victim mentality is much more damaging to the AA community than your imaginary “AA’s have been beat down...” nonsense.
Exactly!
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:46 am to WaWaWeeWa
""Overincarceration" Is Not A Function Of Drug Prosecution. Federal crack penalties are responsible for less than 5,000 black convicts for year. That’s out of a total federal prison population for blacks of 562,000 black prisoners in the state and federal system. More powder cocaine sentences have been levied than crack cocaine sentences in recent years. And the penalties for distribution of crack and crystal meth are precisely the same on the federal level. Violent offenders represent the largest and growing segment of those in prison, not drug offenders. As MacDonald points out, Barack Obama’s contention that he would have gone to jail for drug use in high school is false, unless he was also dealing. Less than 1 percent of federally sentenced drug offenders were charged with simple possession, and a huge number of those who are sentenced to prison for drug use are largely those who have pled down larger drug charges or criminals who have violated parole through drug use. Actually, when it comes to federal drug prosecutions, Hispanics represent a disproportionate share of those convicted." - Ben Shapiro
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 11:46 am
Posted on 10/11/17 at 11:54 am to Ebbandflow
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And we have a higher incarceration rates at almost any civilized country. You can try to blame that on crime all you like. I say that our way of rehabilitating people actually makes it worse.
We just cited the stats saying black teens (<18) commit ~75% of murders. This is before any significant jail time requiring rehabilitation. So that theory is false
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It's already known that people who don't have both a father and a mother and their household are more likely to commit crimes. Well if such a high percentage of black males are incarcerated then they're going to have children who are raised without a father. Just continues the cycle
You are blaming 75% single parent black homes on incarceration? That's hilarious. I would love to see you back that up with any type of facts
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 11:58 am
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