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re: OH Snap, UN passes resolution to end Israeli settlements; US abstains
Posted on 12/24/16 at 2:45 am to SoFla Tideroller
Posted on 12/24/16 at 2:45 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Especially in consideration of creating a nation that never existed before for
You just invented a claim nobody is making.
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a people the world community didn't gave a shite about prior to Israel conquering that land.
I don't give two fricks what the "world community" thinks about. there is no "world community". You are just inventing stuff at this point.
I'll tell you one thing, the world sure gives a frick about Palestinians now! Wonder how that happened...
It's really not surprising how shallow thr analysis of this situation is because the two default answers are to 1. defend Israel and 2. throw out claims of antisemitism; neither of these automatic responses require any understanding at all of the history or current events surrounding this issue.
It's basically a swiss watch at this point.
This post was edited on 12/24/16 at 3:02 am
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Posted on 12/24/16 at 3:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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but we can agree that the Americans who have lived there should be allowed to, you know, keep on living.
not if it's now Mexico's land. then they get to make the rules
Mexico can make all the rules they want, and when American kids clack themselves off in cafes across new Mexico to kill mexicans we can call it "rewriting the rules" to tidy the whole thing up.
Bottom line: Actions have consequences, and America shouldn't be underwriting Israeli actions and thereby accepting the liability of those actions.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 3:11 am to MrCarton
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MrCarton
Maybe if we keep giving Israel money and acting as their muscle, they can teach us how to integrate females into our military.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 3:17 am to SlowFlowPro
They need to move the UN to Moscow. We have put up with their horsesh*t long enough!
Posted on 12/24/16 at 3:37 am to MrCarton
I still have no idea why you are arguing with me. I'm saying we don't need to shovel billions to Israel. Nor should we concern ourselves with how they settle lands they conquered.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 4:16 am to TigerPride10
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No. It would be like Mexico taking back parts of the Southwest after a particularly brutal war in which both sides commit shameful atrocities. Then denying the conquered people basic opportunities, like education, employment, freedom of movement, and democratic representation to air their grievances. Finally, it would entail forcibly removing (i.e. ethnically cleansing) the people that have lived there for countless generations to make way for Mexican citizens with the most radical and nationalistic political views. If you didn't like it, your new, dilapidated neighborhood would be visited by one of the most well-funded and armed militaries in the world.
if we attacked Mexico for no reason and they took El Paso or San Diego after whipping our arse theoreticallly speaking, then that would be comparable to this situation. My point was that it's their land to do what they want now and Jordan pretty much said F*ck You to the Palestinians along with the rest of the Arab world before Israel was even a country.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 7:48 am to C
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Horse shite for Obama to pull this in the last month of his presidency.
Obama is a coward. And to show what a wimp he is, we abstained as opposed to voting for or against the resolution.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:02 am to Big12fan
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So, why doesn't Israel stop the settlements - they are willing to endure a 3rd Intifada for that Goddamn land and the cycle of hatred only grows.
Giving up land won't bring peace. They gave up Gaza and what did they get for it - attacks from Gaza.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:07 am to Lakeboy7
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Trumph will give his a-hole buddy Bibi a couple of billion to make it right
Now there is a mature, reasoned response. LOL!
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:10 am to Geauxgurt
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The other side may not be perfect,
Understatement of the century.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:16 am to mmcgrath
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Russia, China, UK, and France all voted in favor of the resolution. Don't we like Russia now? The France isn't our oldest and most trusted ally? The UK isn't our bestie?
Because we like a country means we have to agree with them on everything? Typical liberal logic.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:28 am to C
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OH Snap, UN passes resolution to end Israeli settlements; US abstainsHorse shite for Obama to pull this in the last month of his presidency.
I would expect nothing less from the Muslim in Chief.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 8:47 am to SoFla Tideroller
quote:Israel was gifted the land. Then Israelis started terrorist attacks and tried to cleanse their gifted property. The entire world told them to knock it out and set up boundaries. Since then they have built military outposts they call "settlements" in the Palestinian territory.
But, I also don't think we should necessarily care what Israel does with land they conquered.
If you want to leave this to a "military" solution, maybe the US should drop all support and let whomever "conquers" the land have it. Is that what you would like?
This post was edited on 12/24/16 at 8:48 am
Posted on 12/24/16 at 9:10 am to tigersbh
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Obama is a coward. And to show what a wimp he is, we abstained as opposed to voting for or against the resolution.
He legislative career consisted primarily of voting "present".
He does nothing about this until a month before he is to slink out of office. Of course he is a coward, like most libs.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 9:21 am to SlowFlowPro
I am a firm supporter of Israel, but it is also important to note the BeBe runs the Likud Party (hard right Republicans for comparison) and is a polarizing figure in Israeli politics who won a modestly close election a year or so ago.
Secondly, the US (under Obama, too) has been a strategic ally of Israel since it inception in the late 40's - often the ONLY real ally of Israel around the world that has always fractured our relations with the Arab world. Israel has NOT always helped us diplomatically in this complex region. We provide massive military support to Israel.
Thirdly, BeBe has relentlessly said "FU" to all past presidents (Republican and Democrat) and for 8 years has accelerated the construction of Isreali settlement in Jordan - otherwise known as the West Bank. Based on how overtly disrespectful and arrongant BeBe and Israel has been to do NOTHING to establish a framework for Palestinian Peace, I don't blame Obama for once to not bend over and let BeBe stick it up his arse. For once, and for a short period of time, the US is on the side of the rest of the world regarding West Bank Annexation, and didn't let BeBe screw him over one last time.
Lastly, in Trumps first major diplomatic initiative, he failed to get Sissi and Egypt to withdraw the UN measure, and failed to get the US to veto this for his buddy, BeBe.
Secondly, the US (under Obama, too) has been a strategic ally of Israel since it inception in the late 40's - often the ONLY real ally of Israel around the world that has always fractured our relations with the Arab world. Israel has NOT always helped us diplomatically in this complex region. We provide massive military support to Israel.
Thirdly, BeBe has relentlessly said "FU" to all past presidents (Republican and Democrat) and for 8 years has accelerated the construction of Isreali settlement in Jordan - otherwise known as the West Bank. Based on how overtly disrespectful and arrongant BeBe and Israel has been to do NOTHING to establish a framework for Palestinian Peace, I don't blame Obama for once to not bend over and let BeBe stick it up his arse. For once, and for a short period of time, the US is on the side of the rest of the world regarding West Bank Annexation, and didn't let BeBe screw him over one last time.
Lastly, in Trumps first major diplomatic initiative, he failed to get Sissi and Egypt to withdraw the UN measure, and failed to get the US to veto this for his buddy, BeBe.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 9:24 am to Geauxst Writer
quote:Abstaining, such a bold move Cotton.
I don't blame Obama for once to not bend over and let BeBe stick it up his arse. For once, and for a short period of time, the US is on the side of the rest of the world regarding West Bank Annexation, and didn't let BeBe screw him over one last time.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 9:37 am to Jbird
Abstaining is a polite way of voting for the resolution which passed. Listen, I am pro-Israel, and often pro-Netenyahu (sp). However, I have been to the West Bank, and the massive annexation and construction of Israeli settlements and military presence is truly an occupation and a major "FU" to the rest of the world. There will NEVER be a chance for peace without halting these settlements, so I don't blame Obama to his once and only "FU" to Bebe.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 9:42 am to Geauxst Writer
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I don't blame Obama for once to not bend over and let BeBe stick it up his arse. For once, and for a short period of time, the US is on the side of the rest of the world regarding West Bank Annexation, and didn't let BeBe screw him over one last time.
i get that, but to do it literally 2-3 weeks before you leave office, to leave a diplomatic quagmire for your successor of the highest order is the biggest bunch of chickenshit politics that you can imagine
if Obama wanted to take such a divisive stand, do it when he had political capital at risk where his decisions could be analyzed within the framework of his Presidency and not as a fleeting middle finger as he leaves
i hate defending Israel. it makes my skin crawl b/c they're fricking dicks. but THIS move? bullshite
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Lastly, in Trumps first major diplomatic initiative, he failed to get Sissi and Egypt to withdraw the UN measure,
technically, he did get them to withdraw it. the Kiwis offered the resolution that passed
Posted on 12/24/16 at 9:44 am to Geauxst Writer
Perhaps the dead terrorist Arafat should have taken the deal Israel agreed to.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 9:45 am to Geauxst Writer
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Abstaining is a polite way of voting for the resolution
instead of showing a sack and actually voting for it
Obama clearly supported, and possibly pushed via proxy, this resolution in the UN
but he slaps Israel in the face by not even taking a side, while taking a side
he's playing the slimiest style of politics and only doing so b/c he's about to leave office
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