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Posted on 5/15/17 at 7:28 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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The Russians were in bad societal and economic shape when Reagan took office. It is absurd to say it was not on its last legs or that he did much to hasten it.
There are statues all over Eastern Europe celebrating Reagan and the freedom he brought them.
I guess they have no clue either?
You liberals hate Reagan because he handed you your asses like no other.
Eastern Europe observes Reagan's 100th birthday
Statue after statue honoring Reagain in former Eastern Bloc
There will NEVER be a statue honoring an Obama or Clinton.
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 5/15/17 at 7:39 pm to Homesick Tiger
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I did too until I read the article about a 12 year-old girl giving birth to a 14 year-old boy. That's when I decided MAD was full of shite?
I must have missed that issue but that is funny.
I remember the "nuclear fallout" drills very well. Invariably, there was always at least one kid in the mix who would say something to the effect, "I heard that we were supposed to put our heads between our legs so we can kiss our butts goodbye". It never failed.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 7:50 pm to Zach
Not true
Many of the cuban boxers still place really well in the olympics.
Many of the cuban boxers still place really well in the olympics.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 7:54 pm to Zach
Every European country had gates and walls...
Except Monoco...because Monoco.
I remember driving around Europe in the 90s and seeing the border gates...empty but they were there
Except Monoco...because Monoco.
I remember driving around Europe in the 90s and seeing the border gates...empty but they were there
Posted on 5/15/17 at 7:59 pm to Zach
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Here's a question. If you asked 100 average 12th graders in your home town:
"What was the Six Day War?"
How many of them would know the answer?
how many people your age know what it was? ... you had to look it up ...
to the op, olympics were huge back then ... even before the hockey game ... eastern bloc vs western bloc was very much the theme ...
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 5/15/17 at 8:06 pm to Zach
quote:Khrushchev beating his shoe at the UN and Castro plucking chickens. I did not realize the import of the Bay of Pigs nor the Missile Crisis.
Older folks: What do you remember about the Cold War?
Posted on 5/15/17 at 8:09 pm to SavageOrangeJug
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I guess they have no clue either?
No they do not. But you have less excuse for ignorance than they do.
"Hedrick Smith is an American journalist who've spent the first few years of the 70s living in Moscow. In this book he tells about his impressions of life in the Soviet Union back then. And it's not just a view-from-far of a foreigner. Despite the tight censorship and the fear of Russians to socialize with foreigners, Smith managed to blend into the Russian society, making some friends (which produced revealing kitchen-chats that provide most of the information in this book) and traveling a lot in the immense country.
On one hand, this book was written in 1976 so it's a bit old. But if we recall that USSR fell apart not long after that, this book is somewhat timeless, as it takes an excellent snapshot of life in the most "communist" country of the world - the biggest, both ideologically and physically, communist experiment in the history of mankind.
The scope of "The Russians" is amazing. Almost 700 tightly packed pages tell about a plethora of subjects pertaining to the life in USSR - economy, priveleged class, middle class, students, children, culture, sports, national projects, underground culture, dissidens and much more. When I picked this book from the shelf of a bookstore (DS-Books used bookstore in Koh-Samui, Thailand) I hoped to gain more insight into the lives of people in my homeland, just a few years before I was born, and this book definitely fulfilled this desire. I learned so much from it, so much about how my parents and grandparents lived, the facts that shaped their youth and mid-life, and hence molded their philosophy and outlook on life.
This book is highly recommended to anyone with an interest in Russia. It also serves as a great book on economics, human psychology and what's in between, in my opinion, as it clearly shows how the communistic experiment utterly failed in the Soviet Union. Especially, it proves just how incompatible communism is to the human nature."
LINK
The communistic experiment had failed in the Soviet Union even before Reagan took office.
I actually read this book about the time it came out.
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 5/15/17 at 8:23 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Failure of Gorbachev reform process
The main reason for the failure of perestroika was that the Gorbachev leadership continued to rely on the Communist Party to be the driving force of the democratisation process, rather than promoting the independent self-organisation of the Soviet masses. The problem with such an approach was that the CPSU was not only thoroughly bureaucratised, it was the linchpin of the whole system of bureaucratic rule. As Roy Medvedev put it in his 1972 book On Socialist Democracy:
The one-party system, the absence of genuine worker control, the lack of independent newspapers or publishers, etc., mean that virtually the entire economic and social life of our vast country is run from a single centre. The smallest organisation, even a club of dog lovers or cactus growers, is supervised by an appropriate body of the CPSU.[33]
Moreover, the CPSU was an organisation whose members had been conditioned to accept unquestioning and blind obedience in exchange for access to better paid jobs, or entry to and advance up the hierarchy of the nomenklatura, with its institutionalised privileges.
Only a small minority of the Communist Party's members were genuinely committed to the ideals of the October Revolution. The great majority were bureaucrats concerned only with preserving their privileged positions, or politically apathetic people who joined because it was the only way to secure a decent job.
Gorbachev's course toward reform was based on holding the Communist party together. This inevitably led to a policy of compromise with the nomenklatura officials. One of the major compromises he made was not to challenge their special privileges, which by 1988 were no longer hidden from the Soviet masses. Given the scale of these privileges and the waste of social resources they represented, it would be impossible to win the confidence of the Soviet workers without a clear policy opposed to them. Just to cite one example of the scale of the nomenklatura's privileges: In 1990, the annual cost of maintenance of official cars for functionaries personal use was six times the total amount spent by the Soviet Union on its space program that year."
LINK
The USSR was fricked by 1972. You know, before Reagan was president.
The main reason for the failure of perestroika was that the Gorbachev leadership continued to rely on the Communist Party to be the driving force of the democratisation process, rather than promoting the independent self-organisation of the Soviet masses. The problem with such an approach was that the CPSU was not only thoroughly bureaucratised, it was the linchpin of the whole system of bureaucratic rule. As Roy Medvedev put it in his 1972 book On Socialist Democracy:
The one-party system, the absence of genuine worker control, the lack of independent newspapers or publishers, etc., mean that virtually the entire economic and social life of our vast country is run from a single centre. The smallest organisation, even a club of dog lovers or cactus growers, is supervised by an appropriate body of the CPSU.[33]
Moreover, the CPSU was an organisation whose members had been conditioned to accept unquestioning and blind obedience in exchange for access to better paid jobs, or entry to and advance up the hierarchy of the nomenklatura, with its institutionalised privileges.
Only a small minority of the Communist Party's members were genuinely committed to the ideals of the October Revolution. The great majority were bureaucrats concerned only with preserving their privileged positions, or politically apathetic people who joined because it was the only way to secure a decent job.
Gorbachev's course toward reform was based on holding the Communist party together. This inevitably led to a policy of compromise with the nomenklatura officials. One of the major compromises he made was not to challenge their special privileges, which by 1988 were no longer hidden from the Soviet masses. Given the scale of these privileges and the waste of social resources they represented, it would be impossible to win the confidence of the Soviet workers without a clear policy opposed to them. Just to cite one example of the scale of the nomenklatura's privileges: In 1990, the annual cost of maintenance of official cars for functionaries personal use was six times the total amount spent by the Soviet Union on its space program that year."
LINK
The USSR was fricked by 1972. You know, before Reagan was president.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 8:28 pm to Zach
Mutually Assured Destruction.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 8:35 pm to Zach
What you said and
1-Every news cast from Crankcase had something about lies Pravda, now CNN, was telling about something or someone
2-A lot of discussion about which Communism was going to win out; the Russian kind or Chinese kind
3-Seemed like everyday for a long time someone was shot dead at the Berlin wall
1-Every news cast from Crankcase had something about lies Pravda, now CNN, was telling about something or someone
2-A lot of discussion about which Communism was going to win out; the Russian kind or Chinese kind
3-Seemed like everyday for a long time someone was shot dead at the Berlin wall
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:38 am to WhiskeyPapa
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No they do not. But you have less excuse for ignorance than they
Right, so you know better than the people who were in the Eastern Bloc and actually lived it?
This is the complete ignorance and arrogance of the American liberal.
Reagan is honored across Eastern Europe, because the policies of his administration ended the Cold War. That is a cold, hard fact.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:43 am to Zach
I used to have nightmares of Soviet missiles passing over on their way to Barksdale.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:52 am to Zach
Not as many "sources" in those days...
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:54 am to Homesick Tiger
Fallout shelters. The LA State Fair in Shreveport regularly displayed the latest shelter models.
Regular drills in school of how to respond in the event of a nucular attack.
That Cuban Missile Crisis, and brinksmanship between Khrushchov and Kennedy.
Regular drills in school of how to respond in the event of a nucular attack.
That Cuban Missile Crisis, and brinksmanship between Khrushchov and Kennedy.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:56 am to tarzana
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Fallout shelters.
Ouachita National Bank on DeSiard St. had one. I always wondered how everyone in Monroe would fit into it.
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